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I’m not a Christian anymore: a thread.
After 40 years of being a devout follower, 20 of those being an evangelical pastor, I am walking away from faith.
Even though this has been a massive bomb drop in my life, it has been decades in the making. 1/
#exvangelical
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Dave. There are way more folks in your situation than you might imagine. Look up “The Clergy Project” for some help & solidarity.
Good fortune to you on your new journey
I can't agree more, The Clergy Project will help you to deal with this transition.
Hm, Clergy project hey? Let me look it up......
Would like to hear your thoughts on the ‘clergy project’ once you’ve dived into it.
Will definitely share them!
@DaveGass3 @ClergyProject according to their website.
Reprogramming?
Idk what you mean to infer by "reprogramming".
He needs a personal encounter with Jesus and not with any book.
Well, without the “Book” as you call it, a personal encounter with a dead guy, apparition, or ? Would be thought a delusion.
How could you know the difference?
I'm glad you are walking away from anything that lacks integrity. When the system betrays you, get away.
I have found that the system may betray me but Jesus never has.
Congratulations
I’ve never been a believer or organized my life around any religion, so it’s hard for me to relate. I find your story fascinating and I hope you find, like many people do, that life has so much to offer without delusions. Enjoy your rebirth!
Lucky you...a good number of us are really messed up and irredeemably bewitched with the so-called faith pursuits
My parents were skeptical of the motives of the clergy they encountered and turned their backs on organized religion. I was never forced or even encouraged to believe anything about the supposed supernatural. I thank them for this.
This is a great thread. Like you, I tried. I buried myself in all things God. It was all a sham.
As a gay kid raised in a family where church was something we fairly regularly “did,” I, like a lot of Christian LGBTQ kids, came to realize that the faith is a sham at an early age. Messages @ home were I was loved; messages @ church were I wasn’t. I chose godless love!
Godless love is better love.
Godless love is just love without being passed through a filter of hate.
I like that.
I read you whole thread. Lots of similarities here except I wasn’t in full time ministry (did go to bible college). My heart goes out to you. Your journey will be lonely sometimes. Feel free to DM me any time you need a friend
agree, me too. It will be lonely, but you will find many others like you. May I suggest an artist community? Arts and spirituality are closely linked. And artists are usually some of the kindest & compassionate people - and the least judgemental by far. Open heart and open mind!
Same. If not for being queer, which accelerated my exit, I would be this thread. Very sobering.
Sometimes I open twitter, to find tweets that cause me to laugh, cause me to think, and a few that cause me to shake my head. Today, I opened twitter to find this — an honest, raw, sincere story. Thank you so much for sharing. Enjoy your newfound freedom, I hope you find peace.
Sometimes it takes a tragedy. Sometimes it takes the birth of a baby, or the spark of an idea backed up with fact. You either understand and learn, or fall back (continually) on the comfortable mattress of "faith."
Wow. Truly moving and I'm not easily moved. Though I'm always a sucker for brutal honesty in regard to the self and the choices that have to be made.
Thanks for sharing your experience. As a recent ex Christian who was a devout teen and child, I empathize with your story. You were way more involved than me. Best wishes in the next part of your life.
I think this man needs a friend right now.
Someone who understands.
Thank you for posting this thread, and IMHO you have all you need to move forward on your reality path. The first steps are the hardest...
FFRF.org has a program for ministers leaving faith.
Even those who saw never believed...how much more we that hv not seen...and yet the bible said "blessed are those who did not see and yet belueved"...so whether we believe it or not...it does not change the fact that Jesus died for us...and yes, He sure did...
“It doesn’t change the fact that Jesus died for us”?
What doesn’t change is that it’s not a fact. However much you say it, however much you believe it, there are no contemporaneous reports that Jesus even existed let alone “died” on a cross. Sorry.
@Onyenpa @DaveGass3 This claim is on the same ground as holocaust denial. "Virtually all modern scholars of antiquity agree that Jesus existed historically" - Wikipedia. I hope this isn't what most atheists believe now, it's not fact-based in any way.
Even in your heart, you know the truth but you keep looking for ways not to believe it...the heavens and the earth and all it's creatures says that Jesus lives...
@Onyenpa @DaveGass3 Hmm. No, they don't.
Thank you for sharing your journey.
Much love from New Zealand, you're not alone x
Hey fellow Kiwi
Hello there! 😊
I'm #101 lol
I broke a hundred, I'm so excited I may have fush n chups tonight to celebrate
Powerfully put. Thanks, and welcome
Welcome to our community.
Thanks for your story. I often wonder if I'd have ever walked away if I'd ended up getting married to a Christian or had gone to Seminary like I'd thought about at one point. I'm sorry for the pain you are going through, but it does get better, and being authentic is so freeing.
Been searching for that word as I read this thread. Authentic!! Perfect.
I'm right there with you, though I was never in full time ministry. Every where I looked I found corruption and abuse. It's so freeing to finally admit to myself and others that I don't believe any of it anymore. I'm so much happier away from Christianity than I was in it.
I have the opposite story. I left atheism to become a Roman Catholic
Thank you so much, Dave, for sharing this painful first-half of your life. Thank you for your heart.
you might find this thread interesting
Welcome!🙋♂️
I'm sorry you had to experience that. Its honestly hard for us who were in that world to bear witness to what goes on. I hope you can find the healing you need.
Congrats!
That’s great 🖤
The person finally left Christianity, despite being a minister. Something like 20 tweets about it.
oh the original tweet you responded to isn't showing up for me...
He’s coming on the show tomorrow
Fantastic!
@DaveGass3 Seriously? Awesome! I definitely want to catch that.
@DaveGass3 Hey Godless, maybe you could get this former pastor on your YouTube channel or hook him up with nonseq.
@DaveGass3 Never mind, nonseq is a done deal apparently. Lol
@DaveGass3 Did you read his entire thread? His experience sounds very familiar to me.
Beautiful thread, Dave. Good luck for the future.
There are support groups for people in your situation.
Stay strong, I was never part of the church, my parents didn't raise me that way. I've found more love through the godless then those who follow.
well done Dave - thanks for sharing - awesome story well told - hopefully you will be able to bring some others along with you #atheism #losingfaith
Thanks for posting Dave. I grew up a pastors kid and can relate to a lot of this. I'm encouraged to see a spark of compassion in your tone and not just a bunch of all-consuming bitterness.
Please, contact the clergy project. They are there for people in your exact situation. They are there to help. Things will get better. ❤️
This! Please @DaveGass3 do contact the Clergy Project.
Check out the Atheist Community of Austin. They do shows and meetings for non religious folks. They can also help you find non religious groups in your area.
Amazing story, completely can relate with finding more love and compassion from those around me who have never attended church than those who are devot. Welcome to a new life of freedom from guilt, manipulation and oppression! ❤
Yeah, no! #ChristianSharia is just as bad as the Islamic version! It’s all downright evil, and it’s asinine to keep trying to pretend otherwise!
History and the Bible say otherwise.
I very much agree w/you, but just imo, modern organized religion in so many ways has become so far removed from the roots of early Christianity. I've seen so many things in churches that are all wrong & would indeed turn people away from the faith itself. That's why I personally
separate God from what the contemporary church is....
I read this man's thread and was like "All of these examples have zero to do with having a relationship with God."
Perhaps God didn’t make a relationship worth it.
I agree, it is quite laughable
No one has a relationship with God. Some of you have a relationship with your own imagination.
Oooookkkkkkk buddy
Everyone has their own path in life and he definitely has the right to his feelings and perspective...but I feel that churches don't always represent what and who God is. It's a collection of people w/human frailty & fault.
And some of them make huge mistakes & hurt people in the process. My family's had very bad experiences with churches. I've heard of a lot of corruption in churches. Which is why I'm good w/a personal belief in God apart from "the church".
None of that goes against what I wrote.
Didn't say it did, just sharing how I felt. I understand how ppl sometimes can get disenchanted when they see really bad examples of faith. I've seen huge ones. Which is why I mentioned I had to separate the two (modern church & God) for my own personal understanding.
I think you're right.
@DaveGass3 You just read what you wanted to read. He clearly lacked a connection with "god" he couldn't find it because he probably is too rational to do it. You need faith. And even tou he tried really hard to find it he never could. Not sure you can't be on his shoes or don't want to.
Thanks Christopher👍
All of that corruption and shady shit happening in churches and in the name of religion is done for reasons that have ZERO to do with God, Jesus, Allah, The Bible, The Qur'an, Buddah...
This dude wrote 50 long-ago texts complaining about everything but a relationship with God.
And none of it seemingly had to do with faith, for that matter.
He missed the Gospel. God doesn't promise health and wealth, an easy marriage, or any of that. He promises forgiveness from sin, and eternal life through faith in Jesus Christ.
I'm done with it. Dude is asking people for money to pay his bills. He was THAT kind of pastor.
How does one have a "relationship" with a storybook character?
How does one look like an egg?
If you're referring to my Twitter avi, I dunno how to break this to you...but it's not representative of my IRL appearance. There's this concept online of using recognizable images for identification purposes, even if they don't function for meatspace identification
K, egg-head.
My head is not shaped like an egg, friendo
Well Christianity is so fluctuating in views and has a horrible habit of changing books to fit political interests even in it's violent founding its had to have a relation with a God based on Zeus who is really an asshole. But I mean...ehh...
Devout prayer and scripture study have nothing to do with God? Okay. The man listed everything associated with Christianity I know of short of wrangling snakes, speaking in tongues, and screaming at poor people outside of abortion clinics.
Dude said he lost his faith because his marriage failed and people he knew got sick. Then he started asking people to send him money so he can pay his bills. YOU can believe what YOU want but I have never met a Christian or Muslim with devout faith that would do that.
Dude said he lost his faith because he didn't see Christianity work, at all, for anyone. You can believe what you want, dear, but when people lose their jobs and their whole life they've built up, it doesn't hurt to ask for kindness from people. Good folks are there for them.
But the one exists and the other doesnt.
Well, both do as human constructs of course. Both are an idea, an story. But the church at least has an physical manifestation.
@DaveGass3 With me, I don't go to church. The Bible is meant to be self-interpreted. Going to church makes it feel like I'm listening to another person's views.
I'm non-denominational Christian, (I'm also bisexual lmao)
Christianity honestly stopped me from committing suicide
Anybody can call themselves a Christian. I actually don’t like that term. It’s to vague and watered down for that reason. Believing in Jesus isn’t a religion. It’s a relationship. The Bible is very clear on that. And that’s why the gate is narrow and few will find it.
Early Christianity spread using what would be considered abusive cultish behavior now, ie hoarding food and then giving it out only to people who would join the club. While it wasn't the only means, it was a prominent method.
It's a brainwashing technique as old as sand.
Stop turning every discussion into a sales pitch, it's fucking creepy.
I comprehend 'em, I just vehemently disagree and your idea of "accepting" another view is scrubbing my brain clean and turning me into you.
Try the Tao Te Ching, it's a better read and has better morals.
Understand =/= servile agreement.
@DaveGass3 No, modern Christianity is doing the same thing early Christianity & Catholicism were doing - but with TV ministries and live-streaming.
@DaveGass3 The roots are hyperbole and the crusades
Well, of course YOU have found and practice the REAL and TRUE Christianity....right?
There are always a few in a crowd. Except of course when push comes to shove their versions never line up either.
But thanks for your efforts to guilt shame is into...something.
To whom are you addressing with this weird guilt shame remark? I am positive it could not be me. As anyone could clearly see, my replies were solely based on what I personally observed in the church, that I understood disenchantment w/faith at times & everyone has their own path.
Of course not dear...as your lengthy protest demonstrates, you aren't in the least concerned you might among those.
Let's not get it twisted, I was clearing up a random & bizarre comment aimed towards me. Have a nice day, "dear".👍
Thank you
You keep stating those facts and I'll keep supporting them.
Guilt and manipulation. YES!
As a "recovering Catholic" (aka atheist), that's the lasting imprint the church left on me. It's so easy to be guilted into doing something or to guilt someone else. I am learning to not do either, hence "recovering."
Here is the thing: all that hurtful shit, all those feelings, you can go to bed tonight and put all that shit behind you. You spent a lot of time in it, so now, spend very little separating from it. And whatever crazy shit you ever wanted to do that it kept you from, do it.
What a journey.
Glad you made it out the old cave. Don't let nothing drag you back.
Look into @HomebrewedXnty and #processtheology. It helped me after i left Christianity too.
Thank you so much for sharing.
It might not feel like it now, but you're brave and courageous. And you're not alone.
<3
You are not alone, brother! Let us know how we can help!
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Sending so much love to you. <3 It's a scary step to take but there is a lot of life on the other side.
Thank you for sharing. We are here to listen and support. My mother was very involved in the church but when she decided to divorce my cheating father they judged her fiercely. She now says that church life is constantly trying to be something your not and nobody can be.
Much of what you said resonates with me. I'm an atheist and my mom is still a believer but even just leaving the church made her so much happier and fulfilled! She has now been happily married to a wonderful, loving man for 15 years, travels regularly and still does "good deeds"
but the "good deeds" come w/o the price of spreading "the word" first. Just helping humans for the sake of helping humans.
I wish you all the best in your newfound freedom! Just be you, for the sake of being you.
Being a Christian is more than attending a church and being involved in a group. I see it as a way of life - just be a good person and respect others. And honestly, any good Christian would never judge you or your choices. You do what is best for you and sod the rest!
Replace "christian" with "person" (after the first sentence) and absolutely nothing changes in that statement.
Sure. But I still am a Christian so used it the way I felt best. :-)
Understood, it is how I used it for the 1st 20 years of my life too. Just trying to point out that it is bigger than that. Being a good human is something to really aspire to.
Thank you for sharing, Dave. I’m going to follow you and wish you the best of luck. You’ll get through this and trust me, you are not alone.
Welcome. There are many friends here
I don’t know you but after reading all of it, I feel like I really do know you. So many shared feelings. And like all the others already here and more that will come, THANK YOU for pouring your heart out. Cathartic I’m sure for you.
Welcome to the heathens, my friend.
Good for you Dave. Wishing you all the best!
Welcome to the land of reason and clear thinking.
You said that right...
Nods head
You are not alone. I had a very similar experience. Bible College graduate, pastor's wife, preacher etc...left after years of church abuse...finally free.😁
Just saying all this makes you a better human. Keep on being a good human
This is a hard thing to go through, my friend.
Hopefully you will find a support system to help you go through this transition.
It's a big one.
I am a Christian believer myself, and I experienced much of the struggles you have shared.
I hope to be a supportive voice to you.
I would like to add, hopefully without being too presumptuous or in any way intruding on your process, that it need not be an "all or nothing" proposition.
Evangelicalism, Biblical Literalism, and Young Earth Creationism are NOT the only ways to be a Christian.
The All or Nothing choice between Fundamentalism or else total Atheism is a False Choice that is often a manifestation of the kind of black and white thinking Fundamentalism programmed us with.
I would suggest that keeping options open for OTHER ways of understanding and expressing faith.
Yet I recognize that belief in God AT ALL can be difficult in such transitions. I understand that.
When I went through my own deconstruction, I considered walking away from my faith entirely. It wasn't necessarily that I didn't believe in God.
But I seriously considered the possibility that God was an ASSHOLE, not worthy of my time.
When I looked into the abyss and considered a life without God, though, it filled me with despair.
I chose right then to trust in God even though I was still mad at him and still did not understand.
I have never regretted that choice.
But the faith I had after that was very different from the Fundamentalism that I had always believed in.
I came to approach God and the Bible very differently. My faith no longer required me to turn off my brain and reject obvious scientific truths.
I no longer felt constrained to treat Genesis as literal history.
I found that science and faith were NOT contrary to one another.
I even came to believe in the Big Bang and Evolution! Why couldn't God create everything through natural processes?
I discovered that Biblical Literalism and Young Earth Creationism were NOT a requirement for Christianity.
I found out that for most of the last 2k yrs MOST of Christianity interpreted Genesis and much of the OT Allegorically, not literally.
It was Literalism that was new!
Anyway, it gave me a different way to understand Christianity.
Evangelicalism isn't the only way to believe.
Give yourself room to explore if OTHER ways of believing work for you. Don't make it an all or nothing choice.
This is an insightful take.
Thank you for both for articulating this. I did it too, and people on both sides of the aisle find it so weird that I managed to quit fundamentalism without quitting God - most people really do see it as an either/or. I feel a bit less alone for hearing from others in this spot.
Pretty interesting take. Never heard anything like this
Really? Evangelicalism is less than 20% of Christianity.
That means over 80% of Christianity IS NOT Fundamentalist.
There is a whole wide spectrum of ways to be a Christian outside of Evangelicalism.
I really love your take on this. I struggle daily with God vs Religion. Can I believe in a God; that every church I've been to seems to view differently, and not very loving or kind. How does Church claim to love; and yet spew so much hate, and cover up so much pain.
Why does the church feel the need to cover up bad people, in order to "protect" God? Why do so many denominations believe in the same "I am" and yet denounce the interpretations of bible of any other denominations.
Therein lies the dilemma. To me it’s a very personal thing. I do my best to treat people regardless of their belief system with compassion & kindness. If that makes other Christians mad...so be it. I’m not living for them
I blame the humans in the church. At least live by the “hate the sin, love the sinner” mantra. It’s really not that tough to be kind
While I see your point, we are all human. I can't put myself into a place week after week that allows things like homophobia, child abuse, sexism, cover ups, Trump support, hypocrisy, Joel Osteen; To thrive; while professing to love, and want people to follow Jesus.
Fortunately, I haven’t seen these things where my family goes. I guess I just found a good church. what I see on the outside truly disgusts me & I hate that we get lumped in with them. Im one person & I do my best. That’s all we can do. Osteen...ugh
Ugh sorry. I want to believe in a God. But I have such anger and resentment to church, religions, the bible-- How can you be a Christian but reject Christianity?
I believe that people can cloud the belief system. I totally understand why you can feel that way. I try to follow the Jesus model. His life lays a blueprint on how to treat others. I can’t understand why many Christians don’t get it
Most people are content with a bit of truth they’ve found and never continue the journey toward more truth. Even fundamentalism contains truth, but is a woefully inadequate and seriously misrepresentation of the full understanding of Xian faith.
To me it’s an ongoing journey. I’m trying
Yes. And it helps with a community of helpers!
It IS a journey.
I think that may be the biggest thing I've learned in this process.
Everyone is on a journey. Each person's journey is unique. And not everyone is at the same place in that journey.
But despite those truths, we are NOT alone. We can journey together while
allowing each other the freedom and the right to be on the journey THEY are on, not the one you are on.
We can help each other along the way. Your journey may be different from mine, but I'm sure there's things you have experienced that I can learn from and vice versa.
I'm not suggesting a "do it yourself" religion. I don't believe in the "Church of One".
But we are all unique and our relationship to the Divine is different. Our gifts are different, our journeys are different.
But from a Christian perspective, that's a GOOD THING!
I was going to quote a Bible verse, but given the nature of this conversation, I don't think it would be appropriate or constructive.
Suffice it to say that God MEANT for us all to be different, not all the same.
So much grief comes from forcing people to all be the same.
I believe I know a verse that describes what you are saying.
Me too.
Followed you BTW.
I like the way you think.
The Tower of Babel; making everyone speak different languages. 1000 yrs down the line and each language produces its own doctrine, and it's own interpretations of the original. Everyone is confused, and no one has the original untranslated truth.
Honestly though it's the hypocrisy of the church. An individual church may have leaders of integrity, but to watch almost, if not all heads of denominations remain silent on abuse, homophobia, Sex assault, Sexism, Racism,
To allow a narrative of hate to permeate the congregations, and to not call it out. To bring it into the light. Ignoring it, hiding it, denying it to keep the tithes rolling in, and bums in seats. Church just doesn't seem worth it anymore; there is no moral authority left.
As many of our sisters would say, this is largely due to the "Bros Club" of Patriarchy that needs to be broken and balanced with a few more X chromosomes.
I don't disagree. I'm just not sure at the moral code many church ladies live by either. Although someone like @R_Denhollander is certainly someone I'd like to see in a leadership position. Truth to Power.
One body, many parts. And each unique in our gifting.
Try Atheism for Lent by Peter Rollins. It’s an online course, available now even though Lent is over. You do have to become a patron to get content but for me (at least) it has been/continues to be TRANSFORMATIONAL. Yes you can follow Jesus w/o the trappings of “Christianity”
I understand.
People suck.
Christians suck.
Churches suck
I think those three are somehow related.
Christians need to be better. Churches need to DO better.
People need to chill the F out.
We are all on a journey. But some people act like they've arrived.
They haven't.
You’re right. We all can do better. A person is smart. People are dumb
I love a quote I heard once...
"None of us is as stupid as ALL of us."
I was more talking about your entire post not just the last one My bad if I wasn’t clear
This is a similar take I have on religion. I was asked by those in my church how I could become a geologist since I was a Christian. I asked them how those cancer treatments were working for their relatives since they’re based on many sciences, including geology.
Im very similar, I consider myself as mych a Christian as when I was a Southern Baptist Evangelical Biblical Literalist.
I'm an atheist, but I'm glad you were at least able to have more flexible thinking and able to open your mind to ideas even while still having the comfort of the belief in a god. I think it's a step forward, and not saying you will become atheist but most deconverts do start with
these kinds of changes in mindset, so it's actually relatable to some extent (I hope that doesn't scare you off haha). I don't mind if christians become flexible like this instead because it has way less damage than a fundamentalist thinking.
Fact is that MOST Christians are less than literal in their approach to the Bible.
Evangelicals only make up less than 20% of world Christians.
Most of Christianity is NOT like Evangelicalism.
I have heard of people becoming "Liberal" Christians as a midway step towards Atheism.
But that is not what this is for me.
My faith in God is stronger and deeper now than it ever was during my Fundamentalist days.
And I myself am WAY less full of shit than I was back then.
I understand, my point was that you have left the damaging part of the religion(denial of logic because of things written in the bible), which is a good thing. I still think it was a relatable step, we simply ended up in different paths.
My faith is still made up of Paradox and Mystery, don't get me wrong.
I still believe in the Miraculous.
But my faith doesn't require me to deny obvious scientific facts.
But the whole of the Christian faith is Paradox and Mystery
Christianity IS Paradox and Mystery
Everything in the Christian faith is a paradox. “You must lose your life to save it.” “The first shall be last and the last shall be first.” Jesus is fully God and Fully M…
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In the end, it DOES ultimately come down to faith.
But faith need not be blind.
Faith need not be at war with science.
Faith need not be absolutely literal about everything in the Bible.
And it DEFINITELY doesn't have to be hurtful and harmful to people.
@DaveGass3 A life without "god(s)" is not an "abyss". It is the beginning of a life of wisdom.
@DaveGass3 It was an abyss to me.
I cannot and would not presume to speak for you or anyone else.
This was my experience. My journey.
For me, the beginning of wisdom is in faith.
@DaveGass3 I don't mean to push or bully, but I think that "abyss" feeling of existential virtigo is a temporary one. I'd exemplify it as the space you fall into after reading @RichardDawkins The Selfish Gene but before reading his Unweaving the Rainbow. Or seeing Carl Sagan's Cosmos.
Thanks for your thoughtful reply to this thread Thomas
Welcome.
Just found out some disturbing info on the OP that may put a twist on this whole conversation, tho.
You can say that again!!!
I believe differently than you, but I have had a different life.
If you are more fully yourself now? Happier and healthier now? This is exactly where you belong!
Congratulations on doing a very hard thing. I hope you are able to access some of the resources available for people in your shoes. I wish you all the best.
Very well articulated. I can't imagine the upheaval you are going through. Find the good people, there are lots, the majority in fact.
I was in a cultish Christian college campus ministry. Long story short, I left Christianity & started an 18 year journey that led me to Reform Judaism. Weird for a Baptist/Catholic. Got my DNA results & was shocked. % Jewish. Follow your gut & heart & you'll be better for it.
tagging as they share deconversion stories. They help us all and so many are similar.
Got some bad news for you. If you were truly born again, you would still be growing in your faith-since "the Holy Spirit dwells in you." As you "walked away," you were a false convert, and the proof is in your conviction.
When you walk away from one thing, you often walk towards something else. Walk towards love and truth that isn't based upon fear of a non-existent being.
Welcome, friend.
Much of my music chronicles my Evangelical background and subsequent exodus.
Hope this helps.
We're all in this together.
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Thank you for sharing with us. You're absolutely not alone. I hope now you get a chance to breathe, even if it's amongst rubble. 💕
Excellent thread. Very honest and insightful take from someone who was on the inside. As a life long non believer, thank you for this glimpse into what must have been the hardest decision you were faced with. Good luck on your journey.
Thank you for sharing your journey. It took a lot of courage and strength for you to make the decision you did.
You are an inspiration to others that are rethinking their devotion to religion. Best of luck in your future.
Much respect and love friend
Life as an atheist is a good one I may be half your age, but if you ever need to talk reach out
I went through something similar
Welcome to the real world
That is a hell of a lot to deal with. I never went through that as i was never a believer but I hope you find what you are looking for on the outside: People trying to do the right thing because it is the right thing and not because they need the grades for an afterlife.
Welcome to the world where you can breathe freely.
And such a wondrous place it is, now when the "great planner" has exited the picture.
I'm still amazed how long I was able to convince myself to keep up the hallucination.
I wish you all the best. Recovery takes its time...!
You are describing so many things that are similar to my journey. My husband and I both worked for the church as pastors. We separated sometime after we quit and left, the response we got from Christians after our separation made us walk further away. We are still picking up (1)
The pieces, the wreckage extended to every possible area and it’s taking time to put things together, some may never be put together ever. All that to say, I get it, I’m sorry, you are brave, it sucks, thank you for sharing, and you are not alone ❤️.
I am so sorry
Very powerful thread. I can understand all you went through. Through your new truth there will be peace.
Balance is important.
Good man.
If only more people could break out of their evangelical conditioning.
Like my parents.
Evangelical Christianity duped/destroyed my family and prevents my mum from seeking professional health for mental health issues her delusional "relationship" with god compounds.
This is the exact place I was dragged to London to attend
757 coach from Luton to Finchley Rd then walk up to VCC followed by spending hours raptured by boredom/observing the mentally unstable behavior of the congregation.
Victory Church Hampstead Bible School
Victory Church Hampstead Bible School, Hampstead, United Kingdom. 182 likes. In Loving Memory - RIP
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I may have been in attendance during this "sermon"...
Victory Church - 1994 Hampstead London
Pastor Michael Bassett speaking at Victory Church in 1994.
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The guy that took over from the dude you see in that video [I think I remember him being second in command while I was there] was a sexual predator.
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This is pure Baptasia fodder.
If you're unfamiliar with what that is...
You're in for a treat.
Whoever made these videos is a GENIUS!
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Holy shit!!!
I just went down the rabbit hole on Facebook and discovered a picture of my parents at that very church.
My mum is in the red dress on the far left and my dad is to the left of the dude in the back to the far left - he has the blonde hair.
I wish I had your compassion. May your life be all you wish for it to be.
I'm sure you are aware of this resource, but just in case you aren't, this is for ex clergy:
The Clergy Project - Religious Leaders Beyond Belief
The Clergy Project provides support, community, and hope for deconverted religious professionals with its Online Community of Forums.
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Welcome to reality, brother. Your heart seems to be in the right place, but thru no fault of your own, you were indoctrinated by/into a corrupt system. I went thru much the same. Reprogramming can be quite painful and may take years to fully escape those chains...
...keep in mind you are not alone. The atheist community here on Twitter is amazing. Reach out and you will find many a welcoming hand. I wish you the best in your journey...
Sorry to say that you never fully break free. The brainwashing haunts you in unexpected moments. But it’s worth fighting to be a better human being.
Great thread Dave. Good on ya
I applaud your courage and honesty. The next chapter will be wonderful.
Thank you for your honesty, wishing you the best for your future.
I had a similar paradigm shift in the late 90's, and while not as rocky of a road as yours (got to be tougher to do as a pastor, stay strong brother✊), it was worth the effort to go through it.
Thanks for sharing your story Dave, it means so much to so many
More than you know
I had an encounter with the holy spirit at a young age, a joy that brought me to tears. However, I also realized that religion is flawed bc ppl are flawed. God is Love, & to quote a song "Who am I to think your glory needs my praises"
Imagination is the most powerful tool we have.
Yes, myself along with 60% of the world's population have powerful imaginations
@DaveGass3 One would hope that more than 60% of the world's population have powerful imaginations.
Dont make it a special thing, its actually most of us. Its imagination that make us believe that things like laws, society, justice, religion, money, ect are actual things. And not things we've made up, just stories.
Come. This path is rocky and hard. But truthful and honest.
Welcome it took great strength to break away, hope this is a great and amazing journey, if problems arise there is always clergyproject.org Good luck keep in touch with your new community 😃👍🏽
The Clergy Project - Religious Leaders Beyond Belief
The Clergy Project provides support, community, and hope for deconverted religious professionals with its Online Community of Forums.
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Excellent thread on a subject that's not talked about very much, despite the fact that so many people walk away every single day.
Welcome to reality, logic and reason.
Was raised in a strict evangelical church. Questioning things since grade school. I studied philosophy and psychology in college and I wasn’t struck down by lightening. great writers out there that can show you a better way...Dyer, Tolle, Chopra, Buddha, A course in Miracles
Welcome
Welcome to a life of free thinking and rationality. Have faith in youself.
You tell your story well...I’m sure it will speak to those that are questioning as you did, and perhaps will allow some the opportunity to begin the questioning process as well. What’s actually true is important, and I hope you continue to help others find their way out
thank you so much for sharing. it’s relieving to hear someone that understands you.
Well done you! Remember religion is ALL BOLLOCKS!
This is powerful stuff. What you’ve done takes a lot of courage. I hope it brings you peace.
Thank you go sharing. ❤️
Welcome.
Thanks for sharing this, you aren’t alone❤️
Sounds all to familiar and I am sorry for the pain you are going through. As a fellow exvangelical I just want you to know you are not alone and life will be OK and get better.
Welcome to sweet reality.
Same here brother. Spent my entire childhood in church. I was about 40 when I decided to rid myself of any doubt. I debated Christians and clergy trying to get answers. All of it was BS. I finally came up with one question, why did God make Eve knowing she would sin?
Welcome to the community!
Amazing journey 👏🏻👏🏻 welcome to the light
This thread left me speechless
The only thread I've ever read from start to finish. Touching and relatable. Please take care of yourself.
Congratulations. And I wish you all the best for the future.
Welcome to the world Dave, let logic , empathy and compassion for your fellow man be your guide. Be a good person and set an example. Time to start living :)
Thank you for this, and please know you’re not alone. I grew up in a very Catholic household but, their ideologies never sat well with me, and after a terrible experience with a priest, I never went back. Church shouldn’t dictate ones relationship with God, & with the world.
Hang in there Dave. 🤛🏻
Ugh. Thank you for this.
Great story! I was raised in the church and left 5 years ago.
You'll be alright, mate. You're in good company.
What an amazing and moving story. I'm sorry about the personal struggles you've had to endure but blown away by the courage you've shown. I don't want to trot out platitudes but I sincerely wish you all the very best and hope the future brings you happiness.
Excellent well done sir. I hope this inspires others in a similar situation. Life can be amazing, it’s up to you to make it that way. It doesn’t need lies and fairytales to make it wonderful.
Keep us updated how it all works out.
Have some you time now 👍
Best wishes for this period of trauma to pass, and good luck with life. There are good people everywhere. (From a British humanist.)
Please never stop sharing your story. I grew up in the fundamental Baptist faith. I doubted everything and asked questions constantly that never were answered. My mom was abused by my alcoholic father and the church shunned her for divorcing him. Organized religion is a scam.
Wow what a moving story! Thank you so much for sharing.
I strongly rec @ProjectClergy and @danieldennett's groundbreaking book: "Caught in The Pulpit: Leaving Belief Behind"
I know you'll feel better and better embracing what is real and true.
Congratulations on your brave step.
Congratulations and my condolences on losing your former life. I know how scary huge changes like this are, but being true to yourself is important. I wish there were something I could do, but it seems like you're going to land on your feet, even though it's rough right now.
Congrats on getting out. It isn't easy, for the many reasons you detail. All the value that exists in the universe is value we make together, which makes it all the more rare, precious and important. And don't worry, you will find community. After all, most people are non-Xians.
Good man 🖒
This was the most powerful thread I have read. My heart goes out to you. I can’t imagine how lost you must feel. But you have found your strength too. Remember nothing lasts forever, not the good times nor the bad. The clouds will clear, & the sun will shine in your world again.
I can’t imagine what that kind of separation for a former life is like.
But welcome to liberation. It will get better. Continue to be the best human being you can possibly be. I’m happy for you. You’ll get to the point where it feels less like a loss and more like freedom. 🙌🏾
@DaveGass3 Liberation? I don't think so.. There's no liberation in this present world. The world we live in is full of deceits. You don't have to be Christian, Muslim, pagan, to witness all he witnessed in the thread.. Jesus himself never had a smooth journey through this world..
@DaveGass3 Knowing the full pages of the scriptures or being a pastor doesn't guarantee you abundant Grace in Christ, only the Salvation of your soul will... Walking with Jesus is not what you can learn in books or by just reading literatures, it takes the intervention of the Holy Spirit.
Miracle happens, God answers prayers too.. I pray you heal Bro...
Ok so...you notice how us non-believers are minding our own business? You showing up with a whole spiel makes you sound like a used car salesman. Mind your business and we will mind ours. Thanks.
Lol.. No need for insults my friend, I'm sure you got the message...
BTW it doesn't sound like you were minding your business... Thanks.
@DaveGass3 Onukwu
@DaveGass3 Beautiful comment, Camille. I'm appreciative of your faith in what is real, and your focus on what can be.
Dave: Thank you for sharing. Your compassion for those you left behind shows you were a far better christian than any of those "preaching" in this thread.
Congrats @DaveGass3 All it takes for the faithful to see the truth is the application of the same degree of due diligence that they would apply in selecting a college, doctor, lawyer, new vehicle, etc.
Congratulations, brother. Enjoy your freedom.
I feel for you. I left 10 years ago. Those I love the most still hurt the most. It causes rifts in the firmest of relationships. But I still say it was worth it.
Amazing how similar many of our stories are. Welcome brother.
You won’t miss it. You are free of fairy tales and guilt. Live a happy life as a good man🙏
Evolution just makes sense doesn't it. The bible on the other hand... not so much.
This is such astonishingly similar to my story. I left the church a decade ago, under almost identical circumstances after a crisis of faith. For me, it was a moment, an epiphany that a God that is love would not knowingly make it easy for me, a WASP to find salvation... 1/2
but make it impossible for someone born in the forest of Papua New Guinea to ever have that choice, and go to hell. I realized the message was "I'm right and you're going to hell" every time I delivered a sermon, or evangelized. I was living judgment, and not love.
I have no faith but your outline is raw: organised religions are appalling institutions.
Dave,
I used to be a Christian minister as well. It is hard to realize your faith is a sham. I feel you. My life is not nearly as hard as yours but I understand your suffering. Keep going. You can do it. You aren't alone.
The story incredibly parallels mine.
I preached and led from my father’s pulpit many times. My exit wasn’t near as messy, but I’m incredibly pained from lying to impressionable children and youths.
I figured this out as a preacher's kid at 17 yo with the help of #FrankZappa
zeitgeistmovie.com (the religion part) confirmed it a few years ago.
I worship nature and believe in science.
I think almost all religions will be dead by end of 21st C.
Sir you just gained a follower. I was intrigued on everything you wrote based on an honest view on your life that many can relate to. I'm happy you found your path. I'm looking forward to reading about your new discoveries. Good luck
There are many ways of still being Christian but #Exvangelical and some great writers to explore your side of The Pond like Richard Rohr, Barbara Brown Taylor and Jesus Seminar veterans like Marcus Borg. Have you explored?
you didn't actually read the thread, did you
Yes. Evangelicals often assume theirs is the only spiritual path so those leaving often feel that the only alternative is to be atheist. I saw that mindset as a theme in the thread. Am I wrong? Are there comments here from #exvangelical ppl on a different spiritual path like me?
Keep your fath this is your life
There is good and bad in this 🌎
Your solution is faith
Thank you for this. After trying to be a good and faithful servant to the church, I realized that the negative message of sin and misplaced self-righteousness of fellow churchgoers was impeding my spiritual search. I walked away 15 years ago and do not miss it. I wish you peace.
Welcome to the godless side. We have cookies and unconditional love.
Hats off to you for putting your conscience and your own mental health first. Because of that, you will be fine :)
Am I welcomed too?
Pretty much as long as you follow Wheaton's Law, which states: don't be a dick.
I consider myself a Christ follower & will not ever judge another person’s decision. I will try to understand & offer love support. You’re right as is Wheaton...don’t be a dick
The very same.
People should be nicer to Hwill Hweaton.
Oh the irony of that
Oh, am I horrendously out of the loop on something?
Just look up anything Whil Wheaton has done recently.
Mainly calling a Pewdiepie a nazi and blaming him for the New Zealand shooting, which he had no part in, of all things.
He doesn't follow his own "rule"
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Good for you! It takes courage to leave religion. I like Jesus, though. He wasn’t the “son of God”, but he was a revolutionary man. He taught about love and forgiveness during a time of Roman oppression- that’s incredible, so it’s no wonder his followers wrote him as a deity!
I was raised a Christian but never really liked going to church. I also love Jesus but have distanced myself from many of his followers.
This must've taken so much courage. I hope you find love and joy in your new humanist life.
While I have no where near the complications you have endured, I did grow up Roman Catholic and started moving away from the church years ago. Now...I guess I'm what you would call an atheist. And you are correct, so many non Christians that are much more accepting and loving.
You made the right move. Never question it. This is what freedom feels like!
Dude. You're pouring your heart out too soon. I tried.
Everyday countless crimes are committed around the world in the name of one religion or another. Thank-you for your candour, and I hope you find fulfillment.
Hi! Welcome to the club lol. It’s been about a year for me.
Thanks for sharing so openly. I relate to a lot of your experiences, although I wasn’t a paid minister. It’s incredibly painful to walk away, but for me it has been liberating and wonderful as well. Way more peace and love out here than I ever found in church.
I totally recommend @SethAndrewsTTA, @604Atheist, @Goodbye_Jesus as wonderful people with similar stories to share, who you may draw encouragement from.
Thanks Liz! 😁❤️🤘
I find Seth to be a comfort. It's good to know other atheists who came from such a strong religious background can have a fulfilling life outside church.
Or synagogue...lol. My case anyways. 😆
Absolutely!!! Any religion.
He was the first atheist podcaster I really got into. I love his gentle approach and the way he always looks for good in people and life.
He keeps it on the positive. I appreciate it. Neil, I'd like to hear your story one day! I've heard mostly Xtian and JW deconversion stories. Not one Jewish story.
If you're up for it I did my story on my channel on April fool's day. I got interviewed by my friend @randolf828
Find it here:
Deconversion Stories featuring..uh...Me?
Greetings fellow unbelievers!! So for today I thought I'd do something different for April Fools Day and have my friend Randolf interview me about my path aw...
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Thanks, man!
You're very welcome. I hope you enjoy it.
Ooh yay! Can’t wait to check that out
I actually JUST watched your April 1 video this morning omg 😊👍🏻
You're a damn #goodhuman...10 minutes in, brother!!! I am in awe of you.
Thank you kindly m'lady. 😊
Seth is an amazing human being and I'll be chatting with him on Monday June 10 @ 4 pm Pacific.
I met him at Faithless Forum and we chatted for a bit and he said he'd be down for it.
Excuse me while I embarrass myself fangirling over that! I would love to interview Seth (and you!) but I probably need more than one episode’s worth of podcast hosting experience 😂
Gotta start somewhere
@DaveGass3 I spoke with him, his story really moved me. We're setting something up.
It was fantastic meeting you Seth and I'm looking forward to our chat. I got home safely too fyi. 😁
@DaveGass3 Four years and counting now. Never looked back
Damn! Takes a lot of courage.
Always happy to hear that a man or woman realizes that they dont have to live their life getting ready for the end of it and begin to Just Live
I'm gay, and believe me, being gay and believing in Jesus can be a trial, but I will never let the bigotry and hatred of haters kill my faith and hope in Him.
My God is nothing like those Trump idolizing "Christians".
He is loving; He proved how much He is too! 😀
The logic and reason side of life warmly welcomes you!
Logic and atheist in the same sentence?
Read the sentence again.
Congratulation on taking the red pill. It will be hard for a while but you will be fine.
RT @HopeAfterFaith
The shift can be truly traumatic. Make sure you have people you trust and can't talk to. There's a lot to process. Best of luck.
*CAN talk to
It is a painful decision, and it will take time to be at peace with it. I also came from a strong Christian background, and I will offer this - you have made the right decision, and a more fulfilling life awaits. Good luck.
Respect
Phenomenal thread, thanks for sharing!
I hope you finally find peace!
His name is an anagram of: Gad Saves He seems mostly legit. He should start a something called "Gad Saves" it'd be amazing for sure as this guy can probably dictate very, very well. Money trouble: Modest Needs i'll find ya!
Be brave and strong. The world is a beautiful place without the guilt and sin✌🏽
I am reading "Asimov's Guide to the Bible." He points out a number of passages that don't make sense in the English versions, and suggests how errors may have crept in during copying and translating. But even the original manuscripts had problems with anachronisms, he claims.
Excellent book. Very thought provoking.
Thank you for sharing your story. It heartened me and I am sure many others needed to hear this too. Know that you are loved and appreciated just the way you are.
Wow, amazing story! I never understood organized religion. Around 7-8 years old, I started asking questions with no satisfactory answers. It all seemed so unbelievable, with so much judgement involved. Religion is quickly fading away...
welcome to the club!
Echoes of my own struggles within the Mormon church. Now devoutly apathetic about religion, but I believe I am a better, more loving, more tolerant person.
I applaud you for walking away from a long held belief. I walked away many years ago myself and still get contempt when folks find out I'm not a devout practitioner of christianity. I hope you find your true self and way on your journey and good luck on future endeavors, sir.
From your experience, which of these have Christian churches thrown in the towel on?
makeup
jewelry
revealing clothes
dancing
attending movie theatres
smoking & drinking
male-only leadership
intimacy outside marriage
salty language and suggestive jokes
tithing at least 10%
I'm sorry it took you so long! Welcome to the other side. It's clear, sunny and vengence/judgey free. You didn't lose everything, you woke up. If everyone else did the same, there actually would be peace on Earth. Religion ruins everything.
Wow. I hope you are ok, friend 😀
Bravo, Sir. Best wishes.
Ohh man. I'm 40 and my story is similar. I leave my faith cause that don't found the answers to many questions. I'm still searching. But I don't reprime myself anymore. I love sex and naugthy girls and I accept my lustful nature.
Thanks for sharing. The deeper one is in means the harder it is to leave. For me, losing my dad at 4 and being told it was "god's plan" stopped making sense in elementary school. Suffice to say it wasn't that hard for me, but still took many years.
Wow. Thank you for sharing your pain and grief. I would hug you if present. You are not alone and your burden is not one you have to carry alone. May the seed be given the grace to die in order for rebirth (whatever that looks like) to occur. Peace.
I look forward to reading this thread. The difficulty of leaving is, in and of itself, a testament to the coercive and manipulative nature of religion, I believe. I hope each day away you will find it to have been the beat decision you have made. I haven’t regretted a moment
Congratulations on the awakening. Feels good to be free, right! You have my support and I am sure so many others have your back too.
Congratulations on making what must have been a difficult decision. Welcome to the rest of your life.
And you are right. Religion is all about controlling the masses. Been happening in all societies in one form or another since the beginning of time.
Good luck.
Welcome to the enlightenment
We atheists accept you for who you are and are happy that you are true to yourself. I remember my grandmother while eating dinner with my mother and step-father in a public restaurant asking me if I believed in god and I said "no." I was 17 at the time.
My husband is a Baptist; I am Catholic. He refuses to attend mass with me, so I was attending his church. Last year we were at an event at his church where the hypocrisy, pettiness, and meanness of the people at my husband’s church was visible. He stopped going to church.
Hey. You’re so loved and you’re not alone. I hope your new path brings you healing.
There’s still plenty of time my friend. May this new journey fill you with joy and wonderment.
I wish you well in your journey.
I, too, tried to make traditional "christianity" work for me. It didn't. Religion is for people who don't want to go to hell. Spirituality is for people who've been there and don't want to go back. Find your spirituality. Blessings.
It gets better my friend. My father was a pastor and it took me 50 years to shake the indoctrination. I was completely ostracized by my family for 3 years...no phone calls no emails. That has changed now and we all get along great as long as the ONE ISSUE is not discussed!
A great, heartfelt thread.
Maybe a Jehovah Witness
My father was born in 1924. I am part of the boomer. generation.
Which religion?
The Abrahamic religions do not allow for free will.
Their followers claim the have it, but that isn't supported in their scriptures.
Ask Job about his free will.
Also, serve me or die is not free will
The book of Job proves humans do not have free will.
You might want to learn your religion before you try to piss near the big dogs.
Sure
Does that show that he had free will when the omniscient god used him to win a bet with a fallen angel?
He lost everything.
Did he choose that?
Deserve that?
Bring it upon himself?
It was fiction for sure.
Free will does not exist in the world view where an omniscient deity requires worship or death.
Nor does it in one where said god can do as he please whenever he wishes.
Worship or I will burn you in hell doesn't register with you as compulsion?
Based on what exactly?
Where did you get this from?
@DaveGass3 Everyone dies.
Did you skip the part about fire, brimstone, and gnashing of teeth?
I have.
You're the only person I've "met" with this particular take on this.
I'm guessing you are not from America.
You don't sound like an American christian.
Well, as an Apostate, let me just say that I find it refreshing to speak to someone who seems to have a more reasonable take.
I life in the South in America.
It's absolutely insane.
Bible literalists, fanatical evangelicals, Young Earth, and Flat Earthers are everywhere here.
I would gladly choose non existence over eternally worshipping the Yahweh super villain. It’s fortunate that this entity doesn’t seem to exist outside the stories. Additionally, a few billion theists disagree with you; many Christians, Muslims, etc believe in a literal hell.
This is a little difficult to parse out. Why do you think god speaks people out of existence for not worshipping him?
Yet the Bible says that Yahweh tramples on free will. Take the hardening of pharaoh’s heart for example.
Please explain where you get this idea from.
@DaveGass3 So you'd be okay with having your wife, children, and Co workers killed.
Then lose your possessions and your health.
So that you could show god you can be faithful.
Sound good to you?
Most boomers were baptized with out their consent, forced to go the church of their parents, and indoctrinated with that church's particular brand of Christianity~ usually guilt and shame. I don't know what planet you are living on.
When children are told they will burn in eternal fire for asking questions, they tend not ask... that and they would get a whipping according to biblical recommendations for discipline. They kept their questions to themselves for self-preservation.
You are correct. You are not familiar with the Bible Belt of the U.S in the 1950's and 60's. Count yourself lucky. Bible studies of that era had nothing to do with critical thinking, and most of them still do not. There are just a lot fewer people in churches now.
@DaveGass3 You know research exists, right? And the percentages of Christian religious growth by births in the faith compared to converts, right? But you don’t know any of those numbers, right?
Lol, seem par for the course for most families XD
If you question your faith and walk away from it, the least Christian thing your family and friends can do is to ostracize you for it. The truly Christian thing is to love, and hopefully through that, bring you back into the faith.
That is how it should work in principle, but in practicality it often does not work that way. When I left, I wrote a 28 page letter to my family explaining the reasons for my decision. That might explain some of the consternation.
Then I’d say your family weren’t true Christians! A true Christian would listen, try to understand, maybe offer some things you hadn’t thought of, but then let you go with love & peace if that was what you truly wanted. But I think the US form of Christianity is not Christ’s!
Thank you for sharing what I am sure was a trying process, a part your personal hero’s journey.
Thanks for sharing your story. So similar to mine, minus the professional part. :)
You earn a follow and my virtual support for your new journey.
Your story is not rare, the details may be unique but there are many just like you. You’re not alone and I’m sorry for the things you have to suffer at the hands of your former supporters.
All the best to you and your path, whatever that may be. My path has been different in that, as a geigh and someone mostly “unchurched” growing up, I had no use for the religion of my ancestors (Christianity). After life created some cracks, the water found its way in... 1/
There’s no money in Big Atheism, but you can sleep at night knowing you’re no longer in the abuse cycle. Welcome!
Cultural Jew/atheist here: Thank you for this testimony. It takes courage to do what you did, let alone to talk about it in public, to strangers. Bravo.
Thread.
Ok @iamforbes go return to group chat by force.
😂😂😂 ffs
If only I were a fly on the walls of your group chat 🤦🏾♀️
Lmao mehn Jonny you don chase me reach here 😂
Omo almost tempted to say “you’ve said it all”, in fact, he’s said it all
I know right!!! And the amount of “truths” here is scaring me.
My only advice to you is to go back and read the teachings and life of Jesus Christ. He wasn't here to set up a religion. He came to abolish that and instill a lifestyle which survived till the time of Emperor Constantine out of his greed for control established a religion.
I love this. That was the beginning of politics in the faith
There is actually no politics in Christianity. It's either you are like Christ or not. Judaism is what the old testament was. Christianity started with Jesus. What happened years after his death is different.
I have so much to say that 280 characters can't be enough.
There was in the early church especially with the influence of Greco-Roman culture and philosophy..
But I agree with you. Christ love and kindness reigns supreme over all.
There were arguments and yes, Paul started deviating from the teachings of Christ. He started including his doctrines. That was when I knew it won't be long, Christianity would accept other teachings that contradict it.
They were not just arguments. They were atrocities, they were politics, they were different factions of the faith. There was the crusades, and the inquisition. And there was also the issue of canonisation of the text. Which text should be added to the scripture, and whatnot
Ooh, the early church I meant was the one controlled by the apostles and Paul.
By your description, it has already evolved into a tool of control in the hands of "men" in Rome that's why they did all the crusades to have a larger empire to dominate.
They even sailed to Africa.
@DaveGass3 They just needed to get more people in Africa bc they knew it’ll be dangerous to let Islam spread across all Africa, you see it was easy for leopold the 2nd to write to the missionaries heading for Africa on what to tell the new converts and whatnot.
@DaveGass3 Oh my your first two tweets seemed like you didn’t know what you were saying but this says otherwise! The letters by Paul did a lot of damage to Christ’s message.
Unfortunately ‘Christians’ the Old Testament (Torah) and these letters instead of the gospels.
I’m always seeing you on threads like this😁
😂 I was just walking by and I decided to chip in.
Interesting topic really👊🏼
Sending you a butt ton of hugs, dude, because it’s hard and it hurts. ♥️
I'm sorry for your loss but glad you are living for truth now. I'm still Christian but left my synod a few years ago after they were publicly espousing bigoted, supremacist political ideology. I hope you come to peace and understanding and wish you the best. 💕
This must be terrifying. I’m sorry you had to go through this kind of suffering (and see others suffer) just to be able to live honestly. I never had to go through this kind of loss to leave religion, and I sometimes wonder how people do it.
...a la Henri Nouwen. I ended up in the Episcopal Church at age 40 and felt at home at age 40. I’m now 52 and NO evangelist; it’s VERY personal and hardly perfect. Church for me is a strong music program and litergy and LOTS of theological latitude. 2/
Oops about the double age 40!
I walked away from organized religion, but will never give up my relationship with Jesus. I am a follower of Jesus and His teachings.
That’s actually the problem , I hope he realizes it ... God is love and Christianity is a way of life , to be Christ-like, the problem is religion especially “organized religion “, and that’s actually what he walked away from, I hope he embraces God’s love .
He also said the he realized that he was spreading lies. So I think he’s done with believing in god/jesus as well. And I understand him, the bible is contradictory and inaccurate.
Sometimes I forget how fortunate I was to walk away in my twenties.
I pray for you. You will be fine
The minute that is not possible, I would walk away in a second. As would my [same-sex] husband. My point: be ok with walking away if that’s what works, but also know that there are non-binary opportunities in the spectrum out there if desired. /End
Brave enough to learn a better way. Wishing you strength and patience. It is freeing to be godless❤️
This took a lot of guts to write out. Being honest and authentic with yourself is not easy. It's sad when church 'family' abandons you.
Hell yeah
What an incredible thread full of truth and love. 💕 Leaving religion behind will make you a better person. It’s such a shame that the more devout you were, the worse damage to your relationships when you leave. You will rebuild your life and it will be better.
Welcome to the truth! You're like Neo who has unplugged.
The earth and cosmos are truly awesome. I hope you find your place on this world and the happiness you deserve.
I've never met you, but I nearly wept reading your story. I'm so glad you made the difficult choice you did for yourself, and I'm so sorry you suffered for so long. Today starts the rest of your life, and I can promise you this: you won't regret it 💙
You are very brave and strong to have made the decision you did. Life without guilt and fear and shame is costly but worth it. Being true to yourself and living a life full of love and happiness is possible without an invisible friend. I wish you all the best!
What a thread. Thank you for sharing. You’re not alone, Dave! @NiceMangos
Welcome out, Dave. I too put about 30 years in as a devout Christian, picking up a few religion degrees and years of pastoral ministry along the way. 5 years as an atheist now. The transition wasn’t easy, but my new life feels GREAT. I wish you the best second life you can make.
I was brought up Anglican/Church of England what you call Episcopalian. I lost faith at age 14 as my questions were not being answered honestly 1)
Wow. As a trustee of a church, and getting to know the inner workings of my church, too many of your points resonated. It’s tough. Im sorry for all you’ve gone through and i hope you find the comfort you seek n
Here for this! You're not alone! Thank you for sharing your experience. So bombass!
thanks man. Your podcast is speaking life to me right now.
Two things: would be be interested in being on it? Or in our closed Facebook group?
And have you heard of The Clergy Project?
"The Clergy Project provides support, community, and hope for deconverted religious professionals with its Online Community of Forums."
I would LOVE to hear you on @thelifeafterorg. The work Brady & Chuck are doing with this podcast is so important. It's been like therapy for me and so many others.
Thank you! That means so much to me!
I’ve never heard of @thelifeafterorg, but now with this thread, I’m doing to have to start listening. Leaving religion has been one of the best decisions I’ve ever made, but it doesn’t make the trauma go away.
@aden_drake Oh my God. Thank you. Truly honored. :) We're on all podcast apps, including Spotify.
@Cindifer_0 @aden_drake @DaveGass3 I just went an subscribed.
@Cindifer_0 @aden_drake @DaveGass3 And you just shouted "Oh my God!" lol
@Cindifer_0 @aden_drake @DaveGass3 Indeed he did. What's your point.....? Ugh so basic. So annoying. Leave him alone if you've got nothing useful or progressive to add kmt. And don't even try come with the whole, I didn't mean nothing by it, cos you did, hence why you said it. Ugh. Anyways
@Cindifer_0 @aden_drake @DaveGass3 Hi Super Sue! 😊 I lolled as well but in a tongue in cheek way. I'm 100% atheist and have a brother whom I deeply love who is a pastor and I see his eyes flinch every time I drop a 'religionism' ... It's unintentional but sometimes hilarious.
Can it just be funny? 🤗
@DaveGass3 Sort of in tandem with this, I'm working in a loose network of ex-Christians and non-Christians who still have a great historical and academic interest in early Christianity (and Christian theology more broadly), and who like to write on this.
@DaveGass3 @StewartFelker where at? I'm interested
@DaveGass3 Mainly a group of people on the subreddit /r/AcademicBiblical on Reddit, and (even less organized) with a loose network of Bibliobloggers. I used to blog at Patheos with some others, too, though I'm now starting at badtheologians.com.
Bad Theologians
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You don't have to put stuff like this out if you left your faith don't inspire other to do so too God works for me if he doesn't work for you give him a try once more after that do as you please
Read your thread. I have been an atheist for most of my life. I am and always have been happy with my life. Wonderful wife, wonderful kids, one of which is adopted. I hope you find the same happiness in your life too. Everyone deserves that.
This is a beautiful thread. I realized, after a lot of pain, that if there is a god, god is no Santa rewarding the good, & prayers aren't answered in any way that makes sense in a humane, moral way. It is easier and more loving to be spiritual than *Christian*.
First you say 'marriage wasn't what was promised' then the rewards of religion were another false promise. You talk like a child who didn't get the right christmas present.
This thread has been an eerie look into the future I nearly had. I walked away younger and I gave up less, but it still made me an indescribably better person. I hope you find the same things. =)
I'm glad this is resonating with people, and good fortune to you all.
@DaveGass3 Same! I nearly had the same future. After some introspection and honestly, a lot of exposure to science, I realised that life wasn’t for me. I’d have to continually on a daily basis self-deceive. It’s cost me a lot of relationships but I’d rather be true to myself and others.
Welcome to Life in the Real World. It’s tough, ugly and painfully Beautiful 🧚🏽♂️💜
I attest that it’s the serous that walk away so wounded from religion. The ones who go all in .
Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm
You are an honest and brave man, Dave Gass.
Good luck on your new path.
I love you too.
This is such raw, authentic beauty and power. Thank you for sharing. ❤️❤️
Here is your excellent thread "unrolled". threadreaderapp.com/thread/1123266…
It will be much easier for you to share. ;)
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*hug* 😔❤️
Congratulations. Enjoy your new life. <3
Yeah I played the latest God of War as well, turned my whole life upside down.
Brave post. Thank you for speaking your truth. I have a feeling you will enjoy getting to know people who live moral, values-based lives without the dogma of any particular religion. Just keep leaning in... it’s a journey.
Thank you for your honesty and bravery in coming out. You are not alone. Welcome to living a happier, more honest, and more fulfilled life!
Social suicide is such a perfect phrase for this situation. I know 1 female friend who is stuck because she's over 45 and trying to find a new social group would be very difficult for her, and so she's stuck in this land of make believe to avoid being desperately lonely.
Good on you 🙌🤗the road ahead will not be easy, but there is a light at the end of the tunnel. I am here for you 🤝
Holy shit this could have been me if i didnt switch to a school that had saturday sports and and a large focus on science and math.
I can thank people like Christopher Hitchens Richard Dawkins and Richard Feynman for giving me a life of learning and wonder.
Dude you need a thread for this? It’s simple. In the great words of George Carlin “...catholic, which I was till I reached the age of reason...”
Great thread Dave, good for u, u can live your life now. There r still a great many forces out there seeking to influence nd control us, breaking free of one allows the others to fall as well, bravo
I'm sad to hear of your experiences, but glad to know you have grown and are now strong enough to break from the abusive system you were in. In case you've jit heard of it, The Clergy Project may be able to help you move forward:.
The Clergy Project - Religious Leaders Beyond Belief
The Clergy Project provides support, community, and hope for deconverted religious professionals with its Online Community of Forums.
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Why did I have a feeling I would find you here? 🤔🤔🤔🤔
Ma. You know na
My transition was not nearly as dramatic/traumatic as that. But I definitely can relate with the change being pretty much a complete overhaul of lifestyle and social position/status.
Much love. It is difficult, but being honest is most important. I respect that.
You’re the man, Zach. Don’t let anyone make you feel any other way than awesome.
@DaveGass3 Thank you man! I appreciate that!
It's incredibly brave of you to be open about this now, where you are.
I'm sorry the process has been so rough for you. I spent my teens thinking "this seems unlikely," then just sort of drifted away. Best wishes for this new phase in your life.
Welcome to the real world, Dave! There are many of us who have made the painful transition away from religion who can identify with what you went through. Dan Barker and many others are former clergy who came to the same conclusion as you did. Visit
The Clergy Project - Religious Leaders Beyond Belief
The Clergy Project provides support, community, and hope for deconverted religious professionals with its Online Community of Forums.
clergyproject.org
and there are those who never got infected and saw it was bullshit - me at age 8, when I shed all the other fantasies like Father Christmas, Easter Bunny, Tooth Fairy, and RW economics
Lucky you! It took me about 25 years to get over my brainwashing
Thank you for sharing this difficult story. My heart breaks for you, and I hope things will get better.
There are many of us out there. My story is much the same. DM me if you need connections- we are everywhere . Also, yes to the clergy Project. I was on the board there
Wow, I Love you.
Thank you for sharing. I served in the church for my entire life as a worship minister and ended up walking away. I can't ever go back. When I share my story I usually get brushed off or my church is brushed off as unusually abusive. "Not all churches" gets thrown around.
I am so happy and satisfied with the life I have chosen in a way I never imagined would be possible. I am no longer afraid of dying not do I struggle to find "purpose" or fear I am missing god's will.
Way to go!
You're not alone. I hope you are comforted to know you've done the right thing. We must not accept lies. We must always be ready to accept difficult truths, and reject dogma. None of us has the answers. This is the first and most important truth.
Your courage is commendable. I think you’ll find a whole new world of people willing to accept you for who you are. It won’t be easy, but it will be worth it.
I'm proud of you for being honest and speaking up about it. As a 16 y/o I've never felt loved or accepted in a church, I've only felt like I'm not "Christian enough" and that that would codemn me one day. Even admitting to myself that I don't know if God is real scares me.
Thankfully for me, I became aware of the problems of religion at a young age. As a young girl, I wasn't allowed to serve in my church, but my brothers were. When I asked the Nuns and Priests why, I was told we don't ask such questions. When I questioned inconsistencies I found in
the bible or church doctrine, I was again told we don't ask such questions. Why did I have to go through a priest to ask forgiveness, why couldn't I just talk to God myself? I was always shushed, and by the time I was 14 or 15 years old, I knew why I was being shushed.
The problem isn't really with belief or not in a deity greater than oneself, it's in the religion of it.
Living life honestly is worth it.
Things will get better
Well done: you’re a brave an honest man.
The reason there’s conflict between science & the bible is science keeps disproving the things the bible says is true.
Believing the bible is what makes you Christian.
Understanding the bible is what makes you atheist.
The problem is you think that Evangelical Christianity is Christianity. I couldn’t last one minute in that “church.” It’s a joke and a perversion. The fact that you existed as a “pastor” is scary. You’re right to walk away but I’d look into several times a week therapy.
Welcome. Grew up Catholic. All my brothers and me were altar boys. Ended up marrying a Buddhist, a devout one, so was really needing to be honest. Still married. She is Bhuddist. I am atheist, as are our three kids. Love life, work hard for life and family and friends.
Finally coming back to me !!! Reality!!
Welcome.
You don’t need “religion”. I changed from full atheist after reading about biological cellular exchange between humans and their environment. It made me feel connected, not just to man, but to everything. I don’t pray, but it’s an ever-present comfort.
Much love oh, I was a warrior for Christ for a while myself. The fact that it took 40 years for you to see your chains is regrettable, but at least you actually did eventually see your chains. You have the rest of your life to do what is necessary for you to actually enjoy it.
Im sad to read this and it begs many questions. But God is faithful regardless
That's a hard path for you, I hope you have the support you need. Well done for being strong enough to admit these things.
Dave, thank you for sharing. My exit from faith was sooner and seems less complicated than yours, but you share many of my thoughts on faith and their surrounding communities.
Find your happiness. Be well, friend.
The Church to me is divine but contains sinners. Many of the sinners play power games, head games and are not seeking conversion of their hearts. They have not become servant-disciples. This is a cross I have to bear. Heaven is for later.
Your posts make me wonder what kind of lousy churches you went to. Ive seen many miracles. Seen more than i could ever shake. The american church is a sham that the rest of the world mocks. You need to go elsewhere and actually find God.
This thread was very moving. I'm glad you realized your environment was toxic and abusive and walked away from it. That's extremely courageous and I wish you the best.
I hear you! Former Catholic priest here, also walked from faith.
Good for you. Perhaps you can inspire others to ask questions, to think for themselves and be brave enough to embrace this life instead of suffering to try to get to another one.
I rebelled early, dropped out as a teen and never looked back, yet your story resonated with me. May you find peace, health and happiness.
Walking away is rough and messy.
It does get better though! I've been an #Exvangelical for several years (before I even knew there was a term besides "backslidden" for it). I think the hardest part is the loss and change in relationships. People I was once super close with are
now standoffish. I'm not gonna lie and say everything is sunshine and rainbows, there is grieving for the death of friendships, the change in dynamics.
But overall, I am much healthier and happier. And I finally have peace...I think because I finally accepted myself.
As I read your message I want to thank you for sharing your journey. Also never mourn the death of a friendship, if it ended it’s because they were never true friends to begin with. 💜
In all honesty, I'm not sure that last part makes me feel better. 😬
Don’t let it get you sad. I meant it as be happy you can chose friends that will cherish and be there for you in good times and bad.
I understand your intent. I'm just processing "they were never true friends to begin with" .. Please bear with me.
So for some of my friendships this may hold true. However, for the friendships:
I had a friend who we were really close, grew up together, considered each other
sisters. She stopped talking to me when I left my abusive marriage. I think I deconstructed too quick for her and feelings were hurt. She blocked me without talking to me.
Maybe this makes her Not a True Friend. But she was there for me up until that point.
At least on my part,
our relationship was genuine.
I guess I'm trying to say that "they were never true friends to begin with" makes me feel like everything we went though together before she stopped talking to me is invalid and meaningless. That it was a waste of my time and energy because
she wasn't as committed.
I'm not angry at you or anything. Just processing emotions from what you said.
It is a lot to chew on and mull over.
I see you were hurt deeply by those your loved and trusted. That’s take time to heal and to trust people specially when they take the side of who hurt you or ignore you. Is your ex and her husband friends or family? If you don’t mind my question.
When I went through my depression of my group of friends only one was there for me to lift me up and get me excited about life. The rest didn’t bother to text to see if I was ok. That to me says: “if you can’t be friends at my worst then we can’t be friends at my best”.
That was my epiphany. I realized I was fun when I supported them emotionally, a great friend. When it was me I was boring & a downer. One said to me “I just wanted to leave you alone so you would get over your funk”. Never asked me if my issue was deeper than a funk.
@DaveGass3 Or, alternatively, you might consider this old piece of wisdom: “People come into our lives for a reason, a season, or a lifetime.” I find it’s helpful to realize that all three types of encounters have their place.
Reflect on the friendship as this, (1) if you put in more energy into the friendship than her then don’t mourn it, (2) but if you were equal in the friendship then I wonder if an external influence forced her to give up on you. If you have the means I suggest to talk
with a professional about it. It helped me put relationships and how I deal with things into perspective. You’ve thru a great deal and may need more help with coping mechanisms. Put first your health mentally and physically. I send you my love, and believe me it does get better.
Please don't tell someone what to feel or not feel.
I've been made aware of some things since I first made this tweet
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Breaking from religion is...liberating. Many moral, decent, loving ex-christians here in Tweeter. In fact the none affiliated (The NONES) are now a huge percentage of world population, including finally the 🇺🇸. You will be ok!!
Not to be judgemental, it's good you awakened to truth & facts. My enlightenment came much earlier, at the age of 6 yrs - those bible stories were too ridiculous to be believed at that age - I'm amazed more folks don't wake up to these myths sooner.
Wonderful narrative. Sorry it took so long but be aware you may feel like you need to justify this decision for the rest of your life ... please don’t! This is your 1 go around. Enjoy it. Make it yours. Don’t waste any more time.
Almost exactly like my life for 12years but the death of my dear mum after 1year of intense prayers with fastings cleared my eyes.
I took a critical look at Christianity and found out that all the promises none is ever fulfilled.
I walked away.
Christianity doesn't work.
Good luck.
Sending you love. ❤️ Know that your future will be filled with more happiness and serenity as you learn to be yourself. I believe in a higher power, but I think people screw it up when we define it for others and try to have control. Breathe from your belly to relax.
Welcome. You are so welcome. Be free!
I’ve never met you, but I know you so well. I don’t know where you’re coming from or where you’re going, but I live where you are.
Come on in, the water is fine. Let’s hang out a while and have a beer together.
Right there with you. I’m an #exvangelical too.
Us #exvangelicals are here for you
You need to be true to yourself. The part that struck me about your thread? It’s true, people on the fringe do get the most out of religion.
Pushing young earth creationism as essential to Christian belief inevitably lead me out as the science is massively overwhelmingly against that assertion
The gender binary was a pretty big one for me as someone who wasn't strictly male or female in mind or in body.
Thank you for sharing that and I wish the best for you on the next part of your journey.
Understood, I’m still a Christ follower but it’s just me
Dave, I will pray for you. You are looking at people, not God. God demands faithfulness. He already gave all, now it’s our turn. When you give as much as He did then you can complain. And I doubt if you can walk away now. Once He has us He never lets go.
Though my journey away has been much shorter I have seen much of the same things, elders asking us to donate more privately because they can’t pay the bills, rampant misogyny, homophobic tendencies, and the single most hypocritical group of people I have ever seen.
My family has tried to brainwash me with apologetics videos once a week, church on Sunday, and preaching at me the rest of the time. Christians, though some are good, tend to be some of the most controlling and dangerous parents. I will NEVER forget being told
“What did god make you” after they found out I was Transgender, the constant sly remark about hoping I don’t end up a girl, the accusations of just not listening hard enough, the flagrant and mentally abusive rhetoric that has caused me permanent mental damage, and severe
Self doubt problems and wishing I could be the child my dead mother wants me to be. I may be a jerk on Twitter, I’ll admit to that, I made some mistakes on this account that will probably bite me, misphrases, misconceptions, and inflammatory remarks.
But the things I have said even can’t add up to how inflammatory the church crowd can be. Stay strong, you may have lost your whole life but you can build another. Love yourself no matter what because people are crap and religion blinds people to how damaging they can be
This took courage, I can especially relate with the P.S., having had a particularly messy departure as well that I've regretted, but the fundamental leaving being correct. I'm still conflicted about my relationship with my mom, wanting to rescue her from her treasured captors :'(
I wish you well, Dave. You should write more if you aren’t already. Many will benefit from your thoughts.
I haven't seen them, but you have the Biggest nuts in the room rn. Congratulations! I hope you make it count for the millions who don't know they have a choice.
Thank u for having the confidence & bravery to know when even simple logic is telling you this is wrong. I grew up home schooled in a strict fundementalist house but abandoned any Christian lifestyle when I turned 18, tho until recently I was mentally bound to it. I am now free.
I understand, to a small degree. I left when I was 24.
I don't know if anything a stranger could say could ever help you, but you're welcome to DM.
Courage. My word. It didn't come it doesn't matter. ❤️
With you brother. 50 years brought up and observant Catholic, and resigned from Christianity and religion.
✊️
You're not alone.
May peace, love and strength surround you.
Religion, church, the evangelical movement --the books, the seminars, the church camps, even the Bible readings --those were never the real Christianity in the first place. / May you someday find your way to a real relationship with God, wherever, and in whatever form that comes.
The road ahead will sometimes be difficult and lonely, but it’s worth it. Welcome to freedom.
Thank you for this. Stay strong. And when you can’t be, there are tons of us out here who get it. We got you.
Welcome to the ranks of the quitters. 😏 Your eyes have been opened, and you’re free. Enjoy it. It’s very brave of you to walk away from it all.
Nothing fails like faith.
I so wish I could share this with my daughter, who is struggling a lot with her faith right now. I grew up a devout Catholic but have been an atheist >15yrs. She is moving closer to agnosticism but is still too scared to admit how strong her doubts are. 1/x
We messaged about it a couple days ago; I think she’s also scared of losing her network of friends & support. She’s been through some rough times the last couple years & needs them right now, so I can’t blame her. I’m just trying to be there as Dad for now, not “atheist Dad.” 2/x
But maybe I will send it, to let her know that she’s not alone in those doubts, and that there are new friends to be made.
Anyway, thank you for sharing your story @DaveGass3 . Welcome to the other side, to freedom from guilt & fear, and to a new beginning.
(((hug))) I am sorry that you tried so very hard & still lost so much. I am happy for you though, that hopefully now you can be free of all that and just BE. A human who is. You deserve Love and acceptance. You should also be able to give it freely. Enjoy your Life! ❤️
That's sad. We need more (REAL) Christians that know & reflect God's true heart, not less.
Religion was hijacked long ago by those seeking power and control. Also not a fan of the whole ‘women should be quiet and submissive’ thing either.
He just finished saying that it’s not real. He doesn’t want to be a Christian of any kind.
He was a "real" christian. It failed him.
Well-written and beautifully stated. Your intelligence shines through. Thanks for your bravery. Everything is going to be alright. You're free now.
Welcome to the #Exvangelical family. Bring your truth and your pain and your shattered pieces and your healing process to the table. You are loved.
I'm still in church but I hear what you are saying. I want to give you a hug.
Oh, and you should follow @amateurexegete , in case you don’t already. 👍 You probably have a fair bit in common & will get along.
For what it's worth from this random internet stranger, I wish you nothing but the best in this new journey and am proud of you for wrestling through such a challenging experience and being honest with yourself.
patheos.com/blogs/godlessi… is a blog I often went to when I was struggling with my own deconversion. Leaving Christianity was a frightening and confusing experience at first, but the blogposts there were reaffirming and put into words ideas I couldn't express.
Godless in Dixie
At Patheos Atheist, Neil Carter chronicles the thoughts and struggles of former evangelicals who have left their faith and now find themselves learning to [...]
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Try not to sex any children on yer way out.
What a story, how brave you are, if you have children I hope they understand!
You are welcome here. I’m sorry.
Welcome to freedom ❤️❤️❤️
Thank you for your honesty, humility and courage. And welcome, Dave Gass: You are -- very much -- not alone. You just spoke for a lot of us.
Welcome to the un-fold!
You know what worries me? That this might not be the Christianity that Jesus intended and envisioned.
What if the people in charge are interpreting things wrongly? What if they can't shake their biases? So many what ifs.
Congratulations
Reading your tweet it seems like you did not have a personal relationship with Jesus or God; nor did you understand the scriptures you were reading. No where in the Holy Bible does it say that we won’t have trials and tribulations, that people won’t die or marriages end
This is a great weight off your shoulders. You will see.
Jesus tells us that we will have trials and tribulations but to count it all joy for He has left us His peace and victory. He tells us He has hope and purpose for us...thing is we must get aligned with His way of life. Please reconsider your decision. Forget religion seek the son
what a thread...❤
I hope the road ahead is one of peace.
You don't have to be afraid anymore.
Surrender to Reason.
Amazing and brave story! I was never deeply part of the church and even I felt deeply shunned and ostracized, something that hurts 20 years later. Hopefully your story will help reduce the pain and encourage more to reassess their beliefs
Welcome to rational life and logic. And that's a genuine statement.
That sounds like an incredibly rough journey. It takes bravery to think for yourself and to be honest!
Secular folks need communities so much today. If you want, your skills could go to perfect use in bringing people together on open terms, to serve the world we have.
My friend Bart Campolo calls it a slow death of a thousand cuts. As a former pastor (23 years) and Christian, it’s a long hard road. But it’s worth it.
Yes! Time to live your truth. I wasted my best earning years in the ministry. I wish I had that time back. But I have the rest of my life to be me,no matter what.
Welcome to reason and reality. The world is a better place when we shed superstitions and myths.
This whole thread and comments showed me that there is still love and compassion in this world.
Sending you so much love ✨
Evangelical here; 43 wasted on religion. Then going to Liberal Christian, Buddhism, secular Buddhism and then finally giving it all up.
I even went to Southeastern Bible College in Lakeland Florida. Lol!
Sending you so much love!
Welcome. I hope the change works out well for you. Regardless it is best to accept the truth. Best wishes
It has hard to walk away from one's life. I sincerely hope you're happier living your truth.
Many non-believers have similar stories. Majority of us were raised in some sort of religion. Walking away from it is one of the hardest things one can ever do. The beginning is the worst & it gets better. Much better. Stay strong and know you're loved, understood, & supported.
Very interesting and very powerful.
I'm very sorry it took you so long to figure all this out, but very glad you have, and have had the guts to walk away --at great personal cost.
I welcome you to the brotherhood of those *not* living for lies, and wish you the absolute best.
Congratulations Sir, it's ok if you feel good now. Let me say that God is not angry when you leave Him. Disciples of Jesus left him as well. There is nothing that happened to you that didn't happen with Jesus. When you serve the "church" rather than Christ this is what happens.
I’m in my 40s with a family active in a conservative evangelical church. I’ve missed less than 5 Sundays my whole life. I’ve been a deacon, taught bible classes, led singing, all of it. Now I find myself in a situation similar to yours. All I can say is thank you and I love you.
It's so hard to keep maintaining unquestioning faith. Especially when you have to defy or ignore your own intelligence. Good luck to you. Welcome to human and scientific reasoning.
I walked away after being accused of something (albeit minor) that never happened. The same person who asked me to leave over a false claim was later removed from the church for adultery with a much younger college student. So there’s that.
You the man, welcome to the club and never stop not believing.
Congratulations on finding the freedom you've been searching for your entire life.
Well done.
2. Jesus never promised you will be free from earthly problems. Indeed you will face them. The devil won't let you be because you are a Christian. Church work is also not Christ. If you spend all your time working for the church you will be frustrated. The church is not Christ.
John never knew you dis vast in the word anyway never regretted the day we both share same thoughts abt naija
Evangelical Christianity is the source of all the hate, bigotry and intolerance that our country is in the throes of. Authoritarian, absolutist thinking, blindness to what is real and true about life, clinging to false ideas that cause pain to others. Trump followers.
You, unfortunately, are very right. The church is not what I believe it should be. It’s just a means for people to make money at this point. I’m sorry your life was ruined but glad you’ve found some peace. I’m sorry people hated you. I hope you’ve found people who love.
its ridiculous how people get so caught up in a myth. Im glad i was able to walk away when still in my early 20s before I got married and began forming lasting relationships with members of the church although im still in the closet with my parents.
3. Jesus warned us not to rely, desire solely on miracles. When miracles don't happen you will be frustrated. Jesus didn't come to perform miracles but to deliver the world from sin. Anything else is to build faith yet if you don't believe you won't get it. Serving God is simple
so many people live in fear of losing their entire support systems by declaring they no longer believe the can close their eye and think really hard any make shit change. its really really asinine. smh. much love to you brother. sorry it took so long.
but you only have 2 lives. the 2nd starts when you realize you only have one..... welcome to your second life.
Thank you for your transparency. This level of honesty is admirable
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4. We have made it a burden for us. Miracles are not adverts, God has not gone commercial, there are things He won't do. In His words these things will happen including you walking away. But God remains God whether you believe in Him or not. You will suddenly become popular
5. denying Him that is alright. People do that every second. Well I wish you well. When next you have the opportunity know God and serve Christ not the church.
13, 14, 18, & 19. Very true and very powerful realizations. Good luck in your new path.
Hey man. I did this same thing at 37 in 2012. We gave a lot of similar experiences (pastors, speaking etc.) and this resonated. Anyway, I wish you the best.
Being kind to others is so systematically underrated. You did your best & now that includes being true to yourself. A break comes with much grieving. The upshot is that you allow yourself to shine, knowing there are others who will accept you & love you for it. All the best.
I am sorry that you feel you can’t be a Christian without a shitty church & tradition that you wisely reject. We’re out here! Blessings on your new life where meaning is abundant without miracles
I admire your honesty and bravery. Sad that it had to cost you this much. It takes time to think through your own ideas about morality, the nature of reality and Man's place in the universe but I am sure you'll be a lot happier with the answers. Wishing you the very best.
Took your time 😎
Amazing journey, obviously fraught with frustration and angst. You damn sure gave it your best shot for a long long time. I hope you find what you are looking for in your “new life”. Thanks for sharing this eye opening thread. Peace.
Well, I’m 34, been Christian since 18 I didn’t read anything that was convincing enough to leave the faith, looks to me you must have bought into the view of the Christian life is perfect, read what Paul went thru, perhaps the disciples, oh well hate to see you go brother.
Welcome to the other side. I know well how much walking away can cost you. I promise it gets better from here on out. The world is so much bigger, brighter, and most amazing than we were taught. #Exvangelical
This is so true. I am now a traveller who's seen many cultures/people/religions. All different but same ethos of control. I appreciate, I tolerate but as an atheist, a people watcher, I even celebrate. What a wonderful world. One life: enjoying it in peace is the only commandant.
Great thread!
Welcome on our side!
So much of your journey mirrors mine.
It breaks my heart to see that you couldn’t see past the imperfection of people to see our Perfect God. By any scientific standards, the fact that your heart is still beating, and the Earth is still turning, are miracles, my friend.
I totally respect your story, and you have a right to it. This whole thread was answered at the top....a seed was planted that never went away! Honestly, no matter how much you read the Bible or did “Christian things” it’s evident you ALWAYS had doubt.
Try non dogmatic progressive Christianity .
I have just one WORD for you Sir... In all 40 years, YOU NEVER ENCOUNTERED CHRIST... PERIOD!! YOU WERE NOT SAVED...
this is exactly what the man was referring to...... loveless, non empathic folk masquerading around as christians.... and it is your type who easily become church leaders
guess what Jesus would have called you?
The issue of SALVATION is one that does not involve emotions at all.. Check through the New Testament.. Stop being childish thrown about by every wind of doctrine (opinions ) and humanistic learnings.. SELAH!!
If you declare with your mouth, "Jesus is Lord," and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead, you will be saved.Romans 10:9
whats your own definition again?
Not by works of righteousness which we have done, but according to his mercy he saved us, by the washing of regeneration, and renewing of the Holy Ghost;
6 Which he shed on us abundantly through Jesus Christ our Saviour;
7 That being justified by his "GRACE", we should be made heirs according to the hope of eternal life.
Titus 3:5-7...
you know you are one of those who christ wood have called a white-washed sepulchre.... youre proselytizing only makes men worse
My coach and Pastor!!!!!!!
“For by grace you have been saved through faith ALONE, and that not of yourselves; it is the GIFT of God, not of works, lest anyone should boast.” Ephesians 2:8-9.
you can interject where you feel competent to respond.
how did your own salvation come through?
So have you encountered Christ yourself? Never judge the man's view, there are so many people trying to find their faith.
Cradle Catholic here, who lost faith when there was no way back from divorce and the hypocritical Church deemed me “lesser”. Felt huge loss. Drifted away, Not a clean break, finally found peace. Loosely practicing Taoism and the belief that God is Love, and God is in everything.
I read your whole thread. I’m still a Christian, and I wish you so much peace. I can’t imagine the pain you have endured. You are courageous and I appreciate you sharing this part of your journey. ❤️
Welcome to the "dark side". There is comfort, healing, & yes, love to be found here. My hope is that you enjoy your newfound and hard-won freedom, and that you flourish.
Being Christian is not a “thing”. It is having a personal relationship with God. If after 40 years, you haven’t seen God, Jesus or you haven’t encountered the Holy Spirit, then you to directly ask God what is happening. There is something missing.
Reading The Universal Christ by Richard Rohr. This book gives me the only context in which I could ever call myself a true follower of Jesus Christ. There is no “Christian” church anywhere that will ever capture and control me again.
That was a hell of a story. Stay strong.
This thread bothers me because it’s about your relationship with people and institutions, but not about your relationship with God, which is what Christianity is. I am sorry for your pain, and do not mean to dismiss it in any way. God bless you.
Great thread. I identify with so much. Welcome to the real world. It’s not so bad.
The hard part for me was disconnecting emotionally from absurd beliefs I had worked so hard to internalize. The intellectual disconnection was easy.
Lots of friends & support can be found here.
You are free. You are brave. You are so strong.
Where I come from, apostasy is a good thing. It means you opened your eyes and saw the flaws. Embrace the title of apostate, it is something to be proud of.
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I grew up in a fundamentalist family. We went to Swaziland for 4 years as missionaries when I was a kid. I wanted to believe, I craved to believe. You are not alone. My journey was not as painful, but we ended up in the same place. Welcome. 😀
Welcome to the other side. May the next part of your life bring you joy, wonder, and genuine human connection.
So, What are you going to do to make up for all the terrible shit you inflicted through brainwashing you profited by, stroked your ego with, and kept women away from gender equity through?
Despite your existential crisis, you need to spend decades fixing the harm you caused.
If you're ever in NM, look me up, date me, then dump me. You have a 100% certainty of having a better life after leaving me. Hand to god. My life didn't change for the better until I accepted my 'curse'. I'm willing to take One for the TeamFaith. Seriously.
Congrats,
You’re now liberated 😀
Enjoy....
Organized religions (cults) biggest scam in human history.
Great thread, thanks for sharing🙏🏻
Thank you for sharing. I hope that living your truth continues to set you free. ❤️
My heart is full of love & compassion for you. How brave you are. How full of integrity. I trust this journey that is unfolding for you will lead to grace and joy even as painful as it is now .
Thank you for sharing. I definitely can relate with your story and upbringing. I hope you can find more happiness and peace going forward with your life.
I applaud your search, I would just ask you to consider that it may have been what you were taught to think about God and Christ that was too narrow and maybe you will find God and Christ again in a broader and wiser way. All the best on your journey
Been an agnostic atheist since I was 11 and I had a lot of the experiences you mention. I've never been a believer in any sense, but I'm sorry for what you've lost and the pain and upheaval you're experiencing. It's okay to mourn this. I hope you find a path that fulfills you.
So, in those 40 years did you ever have a personal relationship with God/Christ? I saw and experienced much the same as you, but it drove me to remain, making myself a window shining His light and love in the darkness. His power is greater than any darkness the world offers.
He obviously never did .. the reason for this sad ending. Christianity remained a theoretical framework to him.
Hi Dave, I feel you! I have had all kinds of doubts for the past 10 years. Lately I’ve been following some astrophysicists who say that their study of the cosmos led them from atheism to Christianity. Of course I want to be a believer but it is challenging! 😘😘😘
I'm still a believer in Jesus, but no longer in the religion that bears his title. I read your thread with deep sympathy & a large amount of empathy, understanding, and love. I wish you the best on your new path. From an #exvangelical Jesus-follower (not a "Christian"). 💙
Thank you for sharing your story, Dave. I hope you find strength in this trying phase in your life.
Religion is a hard thing to come over. It becomes so routine that you find yourself often falling back to it in dire times.
As an ex-Christian (Catholic and Mormon), it was hard as a child escaping from my mother’s influences. (1)
I realized over time that I wasn’t fearful of God- I was fearful of my mother, and what she would say if she found out about my lack of faith.
I told my mother of the truth when I turned 18; I told her how I would rather believe in what is logical to perceive with my eyes (2).
I told her I believed that science, chance, and hard work were what created us humans, not some special design. She didn’t understand me at all, only saying “But I know God is true. I know he exists.” (3)
Her reply begged the question: “If we were intelligently designed to be... intelligent, wouldn’t God beg a creator as well, due to his intellect?” She had no answer.
She pushed me away... she didn’t shun me, but it felt like she didn’t respect me as much.
I wasn’t trying to be rude at all, but at that point it taught me how cruel religion can be if taken too seriously- It hurts families. It hurts me, as a person.
It hurts to hear that Atheists don’t have morals. That we’re all just... killers. (5)
Atheists aren’t immoral; we just have our own way of teaching morals that benefit others. At least, a lot of us do.
Besides, as the saying goes, “Everyone is born an Atheist.”
I'm happy you had the courage to leave a toxic situation, and happier still you've found a secular group you feel welcomed into. All the best for this new and exciting chapter in your life.
I read your whole thread, Dave. Not once did read about what the Holy Spirit has said to you. When we get saved, Christ sends the Holy Spirit to abide in us, teach us, remind us and lead us to all the truth. Those who are led by the Spirit are the sons of God.
When you follow Christ, not the religion, He Baptizes you in the Holy Spirit because it is utterly impossible to live according to His Word without the help of the Spirit.
You also talk about the church as loveless, a system rife with abuse, etc. That’s true. And that is why the Bible teaches us to look unto Jesus the author and finisher of our faith not unto men.
Dave, this is the most honest, raw piece I've read in a while. What insights and courage! Sadly your new freedom is hard-won, but you will never be alone. My heart goes out to you, and I wish you every happiness on the forward journey. I, too, am contemplating dropping da bomb!
I would be happy to interview you for my podcast "The Phil Ferguson Show". Maybe it will help, maybe you can help others with your story. PM me and we can set up a time.
Please @DaveGass3 Phil is a great interviewer & has an amazing audience
We love you and welcome you. Congrats on overcoming. Have you been in touch with clergyproject.org yet? Good luck on your journey!
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Congratulations, man!!
Feels good doesn't it?
I walked away from working in student ministry, and it was the best decision I've ever made for myself. My quality of life has improved so much, and yours will, too. ❤️
Perhaps start by moving away from kansas if there's nothing left to hold you back? You may get more jobs in places less er religious... Oh and I see a book coming! Your honesty about the religious establishment is so refreshing!
hurray!
@DaveGass3 At least there's one person in Missouri who's honest about evangelicals @msunc
The dawning.
What a thread. Sigh!!!
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That was beautiful and well-said and no matter what you have an accepting and loving if distressingly geeky atheist community around :3 Expentecostal here
There is truth in everything you wrote. I wish you well wherever you are.
His thread maddt gann
I am speechless
What do you think about his decision?
I cannot say he did d right or wrong thing.What I can say from my little understanding about Christianity is he never practiced it with belief he was only practising expecting results. My life alone is a testimony of his wonders and nobody can change my beliefs in him.
Absolutely the right message we need to hear Dave thankyou. In my experience also it is the ‘fringe’ christians - those who don’t take it too seriously - who often live with love acceptance and generosity of spirit. Ironic really. Peace to you. Life is not a flawed dogma.
I think you mixed up religion and Christianity. Religion acts all nice and fake. Christianity is allowing the Holy Spirit to direct your life. I'd have been shocked if you said the Holy Spirit disappointed you. Give Him a chance. You won't regret. Blessings!
I was in my last class in Seminary and met this same cross roads. I never finished that class....never will
last month I got a call an uncle who had devoted all his life to serving God, leading people to Christ, never even got married just so he could be free to serve, just died like a dog. No hospital no miracle could save him.
So many thoughts and emotions from this thread. Been down a very similar logical path to disbelief and pulling away. Dave, you seem like a terrific person and I welcome you to a freer second act of life. It won’t be easy but it will be more enjoyable.
So sorry sir. I once came to this point. Then I saw where I missed it. I was bitter but I couldn't deny that what I had experienced was real.
My mistakes:
1. Expecting people to all be Christlike.
2. Not factoring satan into the equation: the deceiver, thief & killer.
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Dave, I wish you well. I was an Evangelical pastor for 25 years, so I know where you are coming from. Enjoy your new found freedom.
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Have you ever looked into the faith Seventh day Adventist ?
There is nothing wrong with what you're doing and I say that as a Christian with a strong faith but 0 attendance policy with any church. Spirituality, love, kindness,etc is what is in your heart.Don't let anyone bring you down and keep feeding your mind and soul. You are loved!❤
Omg there’s more ppl like me
It’s all a myth. A powerful one that has a strangle hold on American morality and politics and fundamentalism and judgments and shame about sex and orientation and survival in a multicultural society but nobody talks about that.
This is a very interesting read, but I know when people practice doctrinal Christianity, it’ll tire you and have you shake in your boots because you’ll lose focus at some point without even realising. I’ve been here (though not a Pastor) but can relate to this.
I was wrong also
God has never “opened any doors” for me. He has never done miracles for me. He has never paved a way for me. Fuck that.
You are wise and courageous. ❤️
Try Catholic Church denomination. You may find a happy union. Thanks
U able give
Umi wanna c die
Thank you for sharing your story. I can’t imagine what a painful time this is for you. Having experienced the pain of divorce and rejection by a congregation I served, I will tell you that it will get better. You will find wholeness and wellness. One day at a time.
Very powerfully written- thanks for sharing.
So powerful. Some of the most I un-Christian people I've met have been churchgoing Christians. Some of the most loving, agnostics. The world can be beautiful and I wish you every happiness as you find your new place in it. I'm sorry for your loss but you will survive this 💛
I'm glad you could come out of the fakeness that surrounded you. It's hard to I pray this next phase brings you all the love you need. Jesus loves you deeply regardless of the sham of people.
I was raised a christian, but never "felt it". The thought of it was good, but I never had that deep down belief. I want to believe in something, but I believe in science. I call myself an agnostic for now.
You want it to be true. You are told that it is the devil that is making you doubt something that should never be questioned. In ernest, it is all man made. Religion holds back real humanity.
what do you think about this?
Lost soul.😔
Well it's safe to say you did what you had to do... God has been amazing and kind to me so let's stick to what works for us.... Different strokes from different folks....
What I admire most is you have the courage and intellect to realize evangelical Christianity imposes a structure upon individuals. It impedes the greater potential of life experiences Christ desires. You are now living the true heroic life of dying to the old experiencing the new
I never believed in God, but for long time I believed in people, now I believe only in myself and my closest.
Of course if you are faking it and going undercover to convert us, it won’t work. But we don’t mind you trying.
You are incredibly brave for having been able to leave the church after it was such an important part of your life for so long. I can't imagine how hard it must have been for you
I've never been religious, but even though I can't relate to stories like this one I find them fascinating and i hope people like you can recover and rebuild themselves. Best of luck for you on your future endeavors!
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Enjoy your new religion :) hopefully this one will bring you more happiness and answers some of your questions.
Hi davegass... “YOU exactly know what happened to you in the Christianity”.
I just want to encourage you with a very few references ..
Kindly read these... these are for you...👇
Thank you for sharing your story. A book I found helpful when I was leaving the church was #Godless by #DanBarker. There is life, love, and hope on the other side.
I've always known that religion was just a manipulative tool of oppression, thank God u are free at last! 🤸
I’m not religious, but keep this in mind:
People corrupt faith, your deities do not. Your God is still the same God you fell in love with, as is your faith. Use your faith to set a tone and example, and never let the greed of man take that away from you.
Much love from Nigeria, you are not alone Dave❤️
take it or leave it, there are embarrassing facts in this thread that we all shy away from
What people do in the name of faith, baba was not really saved, the conviction was not there. Faith is in believing even if he doesn't bless you, it doesn't stop God from being God.
He answered this particular comment In number 23/24 thread.
The truth is their are so many anomalies in the church today that we just accept as norm or in the name of I am here worship God and not man.
If he accepted Jesus was his lord and saviour then how was he not saved? He believed in God didn't he? He served him. So how was he not saved.
@DaveGass3 Anybody that walks in the faith and has unanswered questions and doubts with no one to resolve them can be in this circumstance. If what you are taught or told to believe does not align with what you see and no one shows you any better. Evrytin just seems like a mass delusion
@DaveGass3 Thank God for an experience with him and pple around you who show you Through their lives he exists but please dont judge him,he has a right to feel the way he does.. Respect his choices, love him and pray for him..
In as much as i may agree with few of his points about the "church" in doesn't make me i hide the truth from been said; that yes the church of now as it faults which we mostly all know but hide from it. When he said people died, did God promise u to live without death ?/ 1
When you pray for people and they don't receive miracles did you ask them if the have forgiven freely? They don't hate or fight, the love all the way Christ asked us to.
Thank you brother, when a pastor prays for you and you don't receive miracles, you should examine yourself
And the pastor?
If he's indeed a pastor called by God not all these hustlers we have here
Your marriage didn't work out clearly because from his words, he is hurt and refuses to forgive.
In life one major law wins over every other law the bible gave us, that is Love, if you don't have or practice dis, then u have nothing
His issue is somehow complicated,
Truly, He failed in a part which he his not aware of, a Christian of 40yrs, and you lack they key word in d bible with all ur readings "love" its a pity Holy spirit didn't reveal it to him.
It would have been better if you say you are not a "church goer" again than come out to say you're not a Christian. You can serve God in your closet if you don't believe or agree with church doings
And is quite unfortunate that churches are no more sensitive to most critical happening's again all what most them are after is funds and not souls
But y'all chose to ignore the part where he mentioned all his doubts were proven the moment he left... Christianity or the church today is quick to castigate and crucify you the moment you do or question their modus operandi
That's why I will advocate you read the bible, understand yourself By the inspiration of the holy spirit and not follow all that Daddy says
ur wisdom no go dry
Your story echoes mine deeply. I could have written this, barring a few details. Six years in, I don’t regret the cost one bit. The sense of freedom and personal integrity is worth every bit of pain. I wish you peace.
Thank you for sharing. I grew up a Christian as well so I can related with some of the things you said. I hope you find a defining path in this new chaptee of your life
So sorry it didn't work for you brother.I'm also 40 ds yr. Have had many questions which books n men haven't answered but I find peace in a personal relationship with God.It still works for me.I still have struggles but my Bible doesn't promise otherwise.Peace 2u
The key Phrase here is “finding peace in a PERSONAL relationship with God”. Very important.
I STILL HAVE STRUGGLES BUT MY BIBLE DOESN’T PROMISE OTHERWISE
"But I find peace in a personal relationship with God".
this is who I stand with
True that, true that. He was looking up to the church(i.e, people) than to God. We are not called to be religious fanatics, we are called to have a relationship with God and to love all men. I hope he finds peace though. My heart reaches out to him.
The understanding of faith was not clearly understood.
But I believe this is a necessary step for him. God is better seen from the depths, light is not always appreciated until darkness has persisted for a while.
If God wills it, he'll return home to his father
The parable of the prodigal son was told for the likes of these.
May the Holy Spirit be with him through this phase
I find answers in the Bible, even non spiritual answers. I see the Bible as a life manual to all. It has its benefits if abided by genuinely. Abiding isn't what saves you, it only guides you. The problem in your marriage might be a result of some of your own shortcomings...
Thank you!!!
Certifiable!
Even the Saviour of the world faced tribulation and conflict on earth but He had the Word for He was the Word!
No true Christian can do without living through these experiences.
This is my experience, too. I stopped serving the "system" and I feel like I am now,walking much more honestly with Jesus, and with the scriptures as flawed testimonies of others' experiences w God. Here I find love and grace, and preach it.
God bless you
That's it, ones u know what u carry n you believe beyond the seeing, you shall always have answers....👍🏽👍🏽
if the bible is your answer to anything - you are asking the wrong questions and not asking the right ones
Strength for the journey.
@DaveGass3 I think our problem as Christians is our upbringing..we are taught not to tell the truth.. we hurt inside bt put on a brave face..bt as for me I treasure my personal relationship with God.. it’s masks off!
@DaveGass3 And heaven forbid we ask questions, or want to discuss things like what parts of the bible and which parts are analogy. As a teen I was curious and sought to understand and was vilified for it
@DaveGass3 I've been atheist before. The Bible friggin works. It's not about upbringing. I realised I didnt have a relationship with God. When you do that, things start falling into place
@DaveGass3 Oh yes true true true.... but religion puts unnecessary burdens on us and makes us bitter and hardened.. which is really a pity
@DaveGass3 But what faith does... Seperate your faith from the law and you will get results. Paul says it in scripture "...That we might recieve the promises of the spirt by FAITH"
If you've got Zero faith, you get Zero results.
You can end up being a pastor for 10 years wirhout results.
What exactly about the bible "works"?
U miss it when you face it with a blank question like that. The 'teachings of/in the Bible' still work for me. At least it teaches me to love you as I love myself - a live guide for me. Even at that, it doesn't pretend that it's easy. That, my dear, is one example. Greetings to U
Do I love you as I love myself? Do you believe that human morality can only be come to via dogma? Could empathy be an emergent property of an intelligent, social species?
There, right there! The questions & many more that I don't have answers to. In simple terms, that line encourages me to seek to 'treat others the way I would like to be treated'.Surely, nothing can be wrong abt that.For me, our problem is religion & doctrine, which ate human made
Nothing is at all wrong about acting with empathy. Religion and doctrine ate human made what? Human made marmalade? Or did you mean religion and doctrine "ain't" human made? In which case how would you show that and how did you come to that belief?
They are human interpretation/understanding of God. So coming to God through the prism of 'religion' has caused more harm than good
Is the god which you are talking about omnipresent, omnipotent and omniscient?
Yes, I believe that the 'G'od I am talking about is
If those people come to the god you identify through religion and doctrine, it is that same god that is present and knowledgeable of those people's choice and their actions on that method to come to a god, and that god is also aware of what the out come of that "path" will be?
And the point?
@DaveGass3 If this god is fully aware of the outcome of those choices and actions, and has the power to change those choices, actions, or the reasons for which those choices occurred in the first place would the god in question then not be responsible for the harm done which you identify?
... and BTW, you call it 'empathy' but I call it 'love'
@DaveGass3 Maybe you need to define what you mean by "love" because it means something very different to empathy to me.
Mind that I still have struggles and questions as well. However, I haven't found answers any other place either
@DaveGass3 It's very hard to have a relationship when it feels one-sided. Trying to speak to someone that does not reply. Perhaps some people are just deaf? Anyway, that's the feeling. The feeling that it no longer works.
@DaveGass3 It works. Sometimes it feels like he doesnt answer but listen more. He answers.
PS: Sometimes he provides the answer even before you ask so while asking stop to think if the answer has already been provided.
@DaveGass3 I prefer relationships with people I can have real conversations with.
@DaveGass3 We can't love outside God's love , it's fiction. If dave continues with the love word - then he is still doing God's work on another dimension.
@DaveGass3 💖💖💖✌️
@DaveGass3 There it is, right there!
This is what us sane people have always known. That religion - in all its forms- is a load of crap. It’s sad that you were forced and/or allowed it to take half your life from you. Good luck in life from now on. Enjoy!
Dave, as a ‘thinking evangelical’ thank you for your brave honesty. I wish I could hug you and say sorry. Had I been raised
a hyper-fundamentalist and sucked into the stupidity of inerrancy I could well be where you are. I pray you find those who will love and treasure you.
Why is love so hard for christians? It's so simple and yet it's the hardest thing for us. So little love in the church 😥
You need to ask the Holy Spirit for a personal encounter. He needs to reveal himself to you.
Sad to see you go brother. It's sad but modern day 'god of men' hav done much harm to the faith. Believing has become increasingly difficult these days. But I still look through the shaft and believe. All the best bro, but know that the other side doesn't have all the answers 💗
Thanks for sharing your brave and inspiring journey, Dave. Much respect to you.
there are alot of human flaws in your story, most of which weren't caused by God but were permitted because you permitted them.
1. Abusive parents can happen to anyone.
2. Toxic marriages can be walked away from. God doesn't have to perform a miracle.
3. We tend to dictate to God alot how miracles should happen for getting the little ones he does. E.G. for every person you buried, you pretty much witnessed safe delivery. Twice as much.
4. Even Jesus didn't have his final prayer before crucifixion answered.
5. YOU SURVIVED!.
It's actually very sad to read that in the end you mainly walked away from faith because of Christians behaviour who were not acting like the bible commanded them to behave.
I pray that you heal from those wounds and that you come back to God with a new heart as the prodigal son
Hopefully, u come outta the closet as well coz u were never a Christian! U couldn't separate church from God. When Jesus saved the thief on the cross, he hadn't bn church b4 but he died a Christian & went to heaven.
While pushing ur AGENDA on Twitter, rem Saul's experience 👍
I am not a Korean but a Korean learner. There is a phrase in Korean that I believe it has a really deep meaning "고생했어요" which literally means "You had a hard time"
I wish you a new happy life
People are coming to the conscious awareness that religion has been a sham for so long which it’s primary motive is to enslave people much like coloniyamd slavery... Sorry bro it took you a long while to come to this realisation.. I took my bow long ago..
Believe all you what but the truth stares you in the face
Read this guys thread @Otto_Orondaam then maybe we can come back and have a chat, I respect your beliefs though
All those people are fools i pity the people the confuse on TL even Satan have more follower's, if you look deep into @Otto_Orondaam and @DaveGass3 the have their own gods that they believe a and worship
So you have believed every line , hook and sinker if the bible?
As you are now if all your friends know everything about you they wouldn't regard you again, God is mysterious you can't know him all, i don't go to church often but i read my bible and i believe it so much and my children will follow, i can't let canal people to confuse me
I have never and will never live my life for friends, this pattern has led people into being depressive and living fake lives all in a bid to please friends and their standards. You gotta be logical in your dealings with people, LIVE and I hope you make them Know this too
That's what i'm telling you,this people want to know everything about God which is impossible, going to church can't make you a good christian because most of them are hypocrites, keep your relationship with God only read your bible often,matthew, marck, 1st & 2nd corrinthians
Right from the onset,I let them Know who I am and what my beliefs are, relating with me it’s at your own discretion, you don’t force people to want to stay with you and if you already have that habit, PUT A STOP TO IT, Be who you are
That's true
That’s just how to live in this social media life, believe and do what she’s you feel good.. Everyone will definitely adjust, there ya enough pain to go round
Yes always know the full story before you judge, don't let people make you to believe on their phylosophy always most of them are hypocrites
I never needed anyone’s advice or rhetorics to come to my conclusion, since I was a kid I had always had reservations about some of the sharp practices that has been happening in the church and no one offered credible answers, went round still same storyline
All this made people not to believe in God anymore,the church is not God, but i still don't condenm the church but the main christianity practice is reading your bible often
There are many religion in the world today who don't even believe in Jesus and God why is it only christianity they have to be woke on, more christianity is individual believe not in church,some things in the bible was not said to be understand quickly
Babe, I don’t know you but I like your temerity at defending what you believe in so you gotta understand my stand too
Even from ages not everybody believe in God and not everybody will believe and it is getting worst not, everybody want to leave a free life, sometimes religion is a guardian that guides people, i hope this people use the same energy on islam
Congratulations sir😊
Very proud of you (sincerely mean that even though I don’t know you and you might think that’s weird)
Hell await you
Christianity is basically a Love based relationship between You and God,not between you and the bible.I am a Christian and regard the bible as just a book of myths.....with useful stuff scattered here and there. You are still a Christian though, because you seeking answers.
Shedrack Meshach and Abednego looked at the fire and said even if God wouldn't save them, they wouldn't succumb. Dan 3:17-18. Because they had an understanding of whom God is. My heart goes out to you but you need to understand Christianity isn't solely about prosperity. 1/
Temptations and trials are bound to come... but trying of your faith teaches you to wait on God (James 1:2). You read the Bible like it is just an ancient story and you sound like you have never really encountered Him. 2/
You just believe he exist and he is the solution to your problems. I am not perfect, I am not even living half the life he wants me to live but no matter how far I stray from God, I can never question his reality coz I have felt it. I have experienced his power. 3/
That is what you need brother. We require power to be children of God (John 1:12). Power to overcome principalities, depression, to raise the dead and heal the sick.. By strength shall no man prevail. This strength and power is only found in the holyspirit, (Act 1:8). 4/
It is the assurance through the storm. That even when we are cast in the fiery fire or thrown into the lion's den we shall overcome. Because HE THAT LIVES IN US is far greater than any tribulations. 5/
Questioning the existing of God and asking why people are dying of cancer would only limit your chances of really know who he is. He will bless whom he would bless and show mercy on whom he will show mercy. 6/
He is our father and he sees what you are going through but you need to open up to him to step in without questioning the scientific possibility. Peter could walk on water because despite how impossible the situation looked... 7/
he decided to look on Jesus the author and finisher of his fate. You can't receive anything from God if you continue to question and doubt him (Hebrews 11:6). Lastly, Christianity isn't a "system", it is a lifestyle. Living your life in accordance to Christ's principles. 8/
It is not living your life the way you have seen other christians do, it is your personal relationship with Christ. A connection to YOUR FATHER. It isn't just about praying for the solution of a temporary worldly problem, IT IS OUR HOPE OF SALVATION. 9/
So I urge you today brother, to seek him, not with earthly principles but with the help of the Holyspirit. Be desperate for Him. With all your heart! Coz only then can you truly know Him. Jer 39:13.
For it is impossible for those who were once enlightened, and have tasted of the heavenly gift, and were made partakers of the Holy Ghost,
Hebrews 6:4 KJV
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For it is impossible for those who were once enlightened, and have tasted of the heavenly gift, and were made partakers of the Holy Ghost
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And have tasted the good word of God, and the powers of the world to come, If they shall fall away, to renew them again unto repentance; seeing they crucify to themselves the Son of God afresh, and put him to an open shame.
Hebrews 6:5-6 KJV
Hebrews 6:5-6 And have tasted the good word of God, and the powers of the world to come,
If they shall fall away, to renew them again unto repentance; seeing they crucify to themselves the Son of God afresh, and pu | King James Version (KJV) | Download The Bible App Now
And have tasted the good word of God, and the powers of the world to come, If they shall fall away, to renew them again unto repentance; seeing they crucify to themselves the Son of God afresh, and pu
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The way back is Jesus is still open.
You may have spent forty years fortuitously on the works of God. Now just come back and receive the love of Jesus.
Miracles, signs and wonders are real when we approach God sincerely and truthfully in faith. Jesus loves you always.
@DaveGass3 When Christ was on the cross he still could have quit on me. He didn't. I shall not quit on him.
Did you ever read Qur'an in all this?
Thankyou for your honesty. May your release of the belief systems that no longer serve you be eased by the knowledge you’re not alone. May love and connection in unexpected forms find you ❤️
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I am SORRY for your PAINS & HURTS, DISAPPIONTS & FAILINGS. I pray that the AGONIZING CHRIST will continuously lead & guide you at this stage of your life.
Funny how you claim to have read the bible 24 times & never mentioned the Holy Spirit. He is the one that will bring the life of the Supernatural into reality for you. He will teach u all things including love, marriage, etc. Oh @DaveGass3 I wish u would just give him a chance
Welcome to reality.
Unfortunately, all this means you were in a religion, and NOT a RELATIONSHIP with God. This is an amazing story to show just how unfulfilling a religious lifestyle is. That even after all these days, it hasn't brought you anything positive. That system is a religious one.
However, the LORD calls us to be in a RELATIONSHIP with him. To live according to the Spirit, and not the flesh. This is the Gospel of the LORD Jesus Christ. A religious system is man-made and will NEVER bring what God will bring!
what do you think?
Sounds like a lot of different factors and a lot of trauma.
Yep, not necessarily Jesus, just a lot of religious routine and trauma. I'd love to know how he became a pastor but that's not the right question for now. Sad stuff still.
He sounds very grieved. My heart breaks for him. But you’re right
I've said a prayer for him. I believe he's not lost. Also, cap's combo is quite the name!
Thank you 😉
Yup, absolutely bro. Feel so sorry for our brother, may God heal his hurting heart.
Seminary won't offer you nothing but knowledge, reading the bible 24x won't either that's routine none of this can you find scriptural. He said you prayed in Faith and nothing happened....
No he did NOT. FAITH is a revelation of the finished work of Christ. Praying with Faith is saying LORD NOT MY WILL BUT THINE, LET YOUR WILL BE DONE. He definitely went about it wrong. My dad told me, son do not go preaching if you haven't met God at the backside of the desert
I hear you, but I’m not here to debate his decisions. I’m here to offer love and prayer for someone who’s hurting.
This is deep.
However, the best religious service we can render is humanity which really drives us to the realm that God exists. You give and you get back in multiple folds even you never expected it and when you needed it the most. What is more spiritual than that.
Deeper connections with peace of mind should be what you'll gain doctrine connections. Never stop seeking, because you haven't found him. Full liberty mislead
Jesus loves you.
Brov, you've been sooooo fixated on what you did here, what you did there and I understand you haven't gotten results. But, there's a Spirit, a person whose help would help you make sense of these. Just talk to Him, read up on Him. Don't go just yet
While I was not as deeply intertwined in Christianity as you, I understand some of what youre feeling & the consequences. I walked away abt 15 years ago. Good luck on your journey, the next few years will be hardest but youll find your new path ❤
It will get better. Being honest with yourself & others , will open up avenues to be truly happy & content. Just because people want things to be true doesn’t mean they are x
I thought you leave Christianity and coverting to Islam. Turn out I was wrong. Please consider Islam. It is the right religion you should learn and guide you to a peaceful life.
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Man was a product of the letters
The letter killet*
Never really knew Jesus on a personal level basis. Reading the word is different from knowing him.
The god of this world got to him.
I'm sure he'll come back.
Couldn't agree more
People who think Christianity should follow a process always end up frustrated.
And it all falls on the Question
Who are they listening to ?
But that's the problem with Christianity. Anybody can just buy the book and start claiming whatever they think. So that's why people are frustrated.
Truth
@DaveGass3 Everyone has a book in them but for most it should be kept shut.
Wish you well, sir. With that kind of thoughtfulness and honesty the next 40 years will certainly be productive, fulfilling ones.
Well done. It's a courageous act and must have been very difficult for you. But welcome to reality. You dont need miracles. Pick up a telescope and look at Saturn. It'll blow your mind.
Mate at work brought his quite powerful telescope into work many years ago when I worked nights in IT..not much to do🤔
Pointed it at Saturn...I could not believe the little white pearl I could see and the amazing rings...blew my mind. Received lovely telescope for my 60th 😁
Shame it took so long to see religions just control people, religious books written by men not gods. In saying that, belief in a creator is logical. ( not human looking ) we need answers to unanswerable questions.
A god gives us a possible answer if nothing else.
Sorry to hear your tale. The universe is a creation of God; religion is a creation of man. I suggest you go to your local Unitarian-Universalist church — you will be welcomed, hear stories like your own, and hopefully find spirituality without dogma.
Congratulations . All the best. K
Hi Dave. I am sorry for everything you have been through. I am a Christian who believes in miracles, i have seen people get healed. I pray for a miracle over your life so that the power of the Spirit can be made manifest over your life. Hang in there. God bless you
Welcome to freedom. It's a great place to be, with lots of lovely people. You're in an excellent position to help others find it too. All the best to you. 😀
The system is so corrupt and ripe for abuse I dont understand why people bother calling themselves Christians
From my experiences with 3 different religions all I learned was gossip is prominent, lies are necessary and God is a tool for power
Which is so sad cause theres... 1/2
Genuine good in the teachings of the bible and some really nice people who follow it but too many others shove it down your throat make you see it there way and dont take no for an answer.
I am glad you found your way though just wish it was sooner
So sorry for your pain. I hope your friends and family can come to accept your decision.
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You are not alone. Sometimes u just need a little encouragement,i advice u speak to @RandySkeete
Just read your thread
while I have no doubts about organized faith being for the most part a trap and the belief in God is not as firm as it used to...the more I look for spirituality in the kind things and simple acceptance of the goodness of individuals who just dont hate...
The happier I have become
Brave man. Respect.
I can relate to your story so much. I won't say I have walked away, I'm more like a fringe member who doesn't care so much either way. I have no hopes or expectations, I guess I'll just watch and wait.
Thats me too.bt i will certainly walk away from this religion businessince and fir good
I don't know about that, I think I'm still a believer. I know there is a spirit in the sky.
When I am asked why I left the Catholic Seminary, my response is, "Christians." Love, and Peace to you brother. Now you will have empathic Forgiveness, Love, and Peace. To be human is divine.
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Whatever works for you mate. And anyone who chooses to ostracize you rather than show you love, pray for you/with you to find peace and wish you the best was never really your true friend or family
They went out from us, but they did not really belong to us. For if they had belonged to us, they would have remained with us; but their going showed that none of them belonged to us. (1 John 2:19)
eastern orthodox church is for you
I could not be happier for you. It can be difficult to shed our former skins but you will find nothing but love and tolerance from the people you were taught have none.
Kinda ironic that there is more love outside of religion than within.
Enjoy your life.
I know I do.
I wish you well in all life brings your way. It's a tough spot to be in, but for your own mental health, I'm sure you've made the right decision. Love and hugs.
That's largely heresy not blasphemy, mind. You can still be a Christian.
He is still a Christian. Doesn't know it yet.
You are mad, there is a God
You've not lost anything mate.
You've gained your true self.
Welcome to the truth if what faith and religion really is... a complete and utter scam.
Love is absolutely more available when you love for loves sake and not because the 'book' tells you too.
A brave thread. As an ex-Catholic, I wish you the very best and offer 2 pieces of advice: 1: Remember that this has framed your whole life. Give yourself a break while you adjust. 2. Let go of any resentment as quickly as possible. It will just make you miserable. All the best.
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it needs a lot of courage to be open like this. take care and take your time
The most painful part of this thread was the reactions of the church members consolidating all that you were running away from. It is a pity that people who bear God's name would do that. My love bro. May you however encounter Jesus in your sojourn. HE IS REAL
I understand you bro. But, i too have seen the other side you are going into. All I'm reading here is more of religion. I did this for God and served God here and all that... God Almighty is not amforceful. He is all loving. I came from the area you are going to this new love.
What a journey…. The things we do between the cradle and the grave…..
There are many layers to religion, and the most superficial one is the belief that some MAN with an excel sheet is counting u your sins and occasionally giving you a hand-out.
God Almighty met me at my lowest point when i thought he never was, he showed me he is real. People go through a whole lot. But, religion is a destroyer. God Almighty is not about religion. God Almighty, is reality. Jesus is Lord!
What is the way forward man of god?
Not a Christian, but the least I understand about religion is that it promises nothing on earth. It doesn't necessarily make the earth greater for you. If you believe in hereafter, in Faith, you live for the hereafter and whichever reward is therein. I hope you find peace 💟💟
{smile} Thread reminds me of me, like 20years ago. Also reminds me of this from Stephen Hawking’s « Brief Answers to the Big Questions ».
I'm deeply sorry you had to go through all that. I pray you find true peace and true love in all their purest forms. ❤❤
Dear Dave follow your parh with honesty. You seem to be a fine person. As for me i cannot dismiss Jesus though i understand the heavyness you felt in the system. You were on tracks and never had a real opportunity to exercize your free will. read Khalil Gibran poetry and farewell
You were worshipping God for the benefits and not for who he is..
So sad to hear you were living such a life. Christianity shouldn't be like that but unfortunately it sometimes is thanks to our imperfection. I hope you find happiness going forward and I hope that you find God, if he is real (which I believe he is)
Lol. Just make up your mind and subscribe to the idea 😂😂
What idea?
Exvangelism
Not sure what you mean by make up your mind sha but I'm firmly on the Christian side 😊
😂😂😂. Just pulling your legs...
I feel you man
He will find Him. He's real.
Sounds like you’ve left the world and found Christianity:)
Check out Bertie brits on YT for some extra knowledge (if you want)
Much love ❤️
You are the 2019 Jean Meslier.
en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jean_Mesl…
It’s not coincident that my name is David too
25 Tweets Of An Exvangelical . Good read
Some of the best people I meet, have tatoos, swear, get drunk and love each other, and welcome anyone.
Some of the worst people I meet, go to church.
Thanks so much for sharing, good luck for the future. Live by truth, not fakery.
You were just a passerby not a Christian. The Lord does not abandon his people esp those whom He called to be pastors/priests. Satan is using you
Re-read 19/ of this thread.
Lol. He did. It's called selective amnesia.
Wow, u really sound like the religious dudes that made him walk away from the church...he needs Ur prayers and love not this....have u ever cone across of the parable of the lost sheep in Ur Bible?
Typical Nigerian response.......think critically about the things he said
Nah ur type be the problem
19 & 24
There's something very honest about all this. I guess he put it out cos he could not reach out to everyone personally.
Good man i think.
Go with God and live your life.
Fron your story, the church also contributed to your leaving which was not fair , wish you did like David who encouraged himself in the Lord instead of the people.
God still answers prayers and miracles still happen.
May your hope in Him be restored, amen.
Have you been in touch with @ProjectClergy? A project set up by non believers to support clergy who are in your position.
I hope you find peace in your new life.
@DaveGass3 @KwereUtosu
Dude this kinda strikes deep with me. I may not have been a pastor, but I was devout. It's pretty massive a thing to walk away. But I hope you find the peace you need outside of the faith. There's a lot to find, I've found, once I released myself from the church.
Much love and good luck to you, my brother in apostasy.
Sad story. I pray you find answers to all the questions you have. I also pray that you have an encounter with the supernatural.
Until we destroy the word religion, before the world will true find peace and happiness. Religion is the cancer wrong with the world. True happiness is within and it can not be given or force into your life with any form of sprit.
I've walked this path, it was obviously a lonely path, and of course, it still is... I denounced the Christian faith at age 23, and I've not regretted for a second.
Sad story Dave. Really sad. We can only hope and pray for him. It's sad too because Twitter threads never tell a complete story and we might never know what really happened. It reminds us too that faith is God's work, not human effort. We receive it by grace, we don't create it.
I mean... was pretty clear with what resulted in his lack of belief. Inability to suspend disbelief and constantly fighting with cognitive dissonance needed to convince him of religion. I see this the opposite of sad. He stopped lying to himself and accepted his own criticisms.
"I see this as the opposite of sad". Yeah, you don't. I do. We probably share different frameworks of assessment. Fair.
I'd say his frame of assessment is the more important one here. And he's clearly relieved.
If you put out your views on a heterogeneous public space like Twitter, then you are inviting not only responses that reaffirm your views but those that question or see them differently (whatever the subjective basis or otherwise they may be derived from).
They never said you weren't allowed to have your beliefs on his situation. Just said his view on himself and his events and transgression take priority, no matter how public.
Priority to him, not me. My reply is not to him anyway but to your reply to my response. I also think I can take seriously my views about how I feel about his thread. 'His view on himself' touches on issues that others have opinions on and they can feel differently about it.
I think you are very brave. I wish you peace and healing. I was in an Assembly of God congregation many years ago and came to pretty much the same conclusions. I think you will be much happier in the long run. 💕
I pray that love finds you and fill your heart.
I respect your decision, takes a lot of courage. However, the fact that one is a Christian doesn't mean things are just going to be rosy. Life would move on you just like it does on every other persons. What makes the difference is the endearing strength God gives.
Bravo! And remember there is another community of supportive atheists to whom you can turn for help.
Pls see this
More grace Brother, all things work together for your God.
O God, pls don't allow him to go empty handed. Show yourself in his life, this sheep must not be lost. God the greatest Shephard, pls answer in Jesus Name, Amen.
Fascinating and extraordinarily brave to be honest with yourself and walk away from everything you have ever known. Time to build a new reality and understand based on your own observations, relationships and experiences. Good luck in your new life.
Hi Dave...funny we bear the same name. Really sad experience you have had. Faith, hope and love. The greatest among these is love. You don't believe in prayer anymore I guess. Still, I pray His everlasting Love finds you. We all need a personal experience with True Love. @dadepo.
You will probably find some comfort and wind back in your sails if you follow @C_Stroop. He has threads and links about ‘exvangelicals’ and the difficulties and eventual free air they find. I was a born skeptic and never had to walk away with so much invested, but I wish you well
One of millions, brainwashed and hoodwinked by organized religion the world over. All to control people. Best wishes for the future.
you might find this interesting
Welcome.
🤝 spot on bro... absolutely spot on. God didn't fail him, the church did
And you have to be man enough to deal with your own failure...
True guys true....you can be in a place where pastors are just all about their own agendas and not God's agenda. When that happens, you search until you find that place where you can grow. I've definitely been in churches where I knew I was completely just socialising
Congrats. Welcome to freedom.
I'm a Christian,been one all my life and I'd like to let you know that there's nothing new under the sun.
What ever you went through, people went through worse and Never abandoned Christ,I've experienced the supernatural, infact I'm a product of it myself.
Knowing the Bible doesn't equate to knowing God, Preaching the Gospel doesn't equate to knowing God, it's why we can have fake pastors.
Point is God never fails anybody, I don't know if you'll read this thread, I hope you do I pray God lights shines towards you.
I've seen God's power first hand, I've even been a conduit at some point,Jesus is real,even more real that the things we call reality.
Dont give up hope.
For one last shot; try listening to Chris oyakhilome on YouTube, may Give you a different POV.
Stay blessed!
I gave up on religion too. I decided to just be a good person (in case there really is a God) and I've been fine with that ever since.
Wow. This is the longest thread I've read in a long while. Sending so much love to u. I hope u find peace and love.
Be free be happy... You just found your Christ.
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I am sorry you went through this and I know it will be hard, but it will get easier, may not be quick but it will eventually happen.
I see bravery and strength, enjoy your new life🙏
Welcome to unconditional love, sweet company and just real life. Big hug for you for what you are going through right now!
I John 2:19 😔. Sorry that this is applicable to you. Praying for your reconciliation with Christ.
All this while you had no faith in God. your perception of the things around you, completely overshadowed your believe in God.
I have prayed for you.
God will grant you the supernatural experience that you seek
Much love.
God will keep you and give you peace
Walking away from religion and man made laws is always refreshing but find your personal peace with God is essential... Peace..
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A personal relationship w/the Lord is more important than participating in a church. I worship Him, not the place of worship. I work in the hospital almost every Sunday, I try to show others His love on that day. I have problems with many churches and I still love Him.😢🙏🏽✝️
Good for you, now you are ready to ve a relationship. One not defined by man's values but by you. Welcome
Christianity!
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Sir, @kingsleypst I have been following your teachings this past month. I’m not sure if you’ve read this, but I would love to hear your thoughts on this because this is kinda worrisome and could discourage a lot of people.
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Hey @Matt_Dillahunty, maybe you can help this man.
Best decision ever, I assure you...
I pray God will intervene in your situation but the issue of faith is not in the doctrines or literary appreciation of the bible but the personal relationship with God. I pray the Holy Spirit will intervene and convince you Himself. Amen.
It may take awhile for you to untangle yourself, but you will create a new reality and will come to embrace your liberation. Chronicle your journey! You'll need to look back at it occasionally.
might like this thread
It’s a tough one when the church turns on you.... but I was “rescued” by a church and family that didn’t ask questions about my lack of faith and questions... I pray David finds Christ personally devoid of the prejudice of men
Thank you for sharing. Very insightful and also heartbreaking.
True.
Yeah, too bad people are trying to make atheists look like violent, unsympathetic maniacs.
thoughts sir? 🤔
I gave up religion years ago. Most people are terrified to admit what you did even though they think it too, when I am challenged as to why I don’t believe, I say I don’t believe in Santa , the Easter Bunny or a societal crutch to be a good person
Mental and emotional freedom supercedes all.
Dogma is dangerous.
You were never a Christian. Christianity works and millions of believers can testify to it. You are the problem, take responsibility and don't blame the church or the Christian faith.
come and say something
Know what your problem was?
You believed the wrong things abh Christianity. 2.You didn't believe in the right thing - Jesus.
@DaveGass3 Keep deceiving yourself. I hope not too long from now, you will emancipated yourself by yourself.
@DaveGass3 I have no idea what that means
You will be fine mate
You know the annoying part about this? This guy just openly denounced Christ but we get to go to the same hell as him for just stealing meat from the pot. It doesn't sound fair to me tbh.. 😟
Steve Farar-finishing strong
Congratulations, Dave. That Kool-aide was gross anyway. Besides, your man, J, wasn't one, either.
Listen mate, you’ve made the right choice. Just took some time to get there. As a non-practicing atheist (I just can’t be bothered with any of it) I say welcome. Just find your happy place and you’ll be fine. You can be virtuous without being pious. Just remember that.
Sending you so much light and positivity. And I hope the love you found in other places continues to be true and to grow and make rebuilding easier. All the best🐥💙
There's nothing wrong with walking out of everything but I'd appeal that you don't leave God..... you have all my love and support. I pray all goes well in every endeavor and the amazing support system you need surrounds you. 🤗😘
@DaveGass3 The truth indeed sets us free.
Quite sad about your 40 years of being a Christian without your beliefs not matching reality.The Forty years from your thread here were Christian activities without a relationship with the Actor-Jesus.Did you at any time 'connect','surrender'or 'give' your life to Jesus?Try again
Jesus still loves you
The Flying Spaghetti Monster still loves you.
Welcome home.
I'm only sorry you had to suffer for so long before you made it.
The church created "Hell" to prey on human fear and to control. Humanity and love should be our religion. Im happy you are AWAKE.
Because Churches have eviate from God plan, churches have turned to social gathering and business ventures instead of place of worship. Just reconcile with your maker and have peaceful conscience. Wish u the best.
One thing is bn a Christian n another is “experiencing” God. Until u experience God,u will not really understand. All I see is a young man keeping all the commandments not knowing God is not really the way we see or think he is. I never knew about all dis until I experienced it.
what do you think happened here?
I think he was being religious. No where he stated an encounter with the Holy Spirit. He needs the Holy Spirit for his answers not just books
God bless your heart brother, he never had a remarkable encounter, and I pray he does eventually.
Problem right there. He had zero encounter. No real and personal relationship with the Lord.
@DaveGass3 Very true...it just sounds really amazing to me that someone can claim to be in the light for 40 years( that’s 365*40, excluding leap years) and not for once see that light
it's great that you got the chance to discover things for yourself...
Religion/Religious leaders don't want you to question reason/faith...
Because the magic man in the sky makes everything ok and he gets mad when you doubt him.
Religion versus Spirituality.
Religion is just spirituality when spirituality gets power.
So sad! There is still a world of difference between "being in Church and being in Christ". Try the love of Jesus Christ before quitting.
Can I send you to Zomba Mental Hospital in Malawi or St. John of God house of peace in Malawi on my bill? A great holiday destination.
best decision you’ll ever make. thank god.
Hi Dave, I truly appreciate ur sincerity & openness, I wish a lot of people could be more real. My name is Joel, I’m from Nigeria, I love Jesus genuinely but without the religious cloud you had. I heard ur call for genuine friendship, I would like to be ur friend if u don’t mind.
You’re doing great Dave!
Sorry for your experience, I pray you find God again. Amen.
please read articles from bethelthehouseofgod.net and books of William Branham.
Sad that it took so long to figure this out for yourself, but good for you that you can now really figure out who you are.
You will eventually be much happier.
Jesus will find you now. You’ll run but run into His arms. Lol
Thank you for the accuracy.
This thread has to one of the most honest I’ve ever read. You are not alone, many people feel the same as you...
What an inspiring history!!!
Welcome to the side where there’s no light or dark. It’s just what it is
Even if I walk out from church do u still pray and move close to God
pretty interesting read.
You are the most confused human being I have eber come across. Your thread is at best, selfish, misguided and ignorant. Have a nice life ahead
Hello ❤❤❤ read your story & suppprt you. It takes a lot of courage to leave something you've always known x
It takes strength to walk away from everything you believes was the truth. And the longer you believed for, the harder it is.
Wishing you all the best Dave. It's never to late to live in the truth and light with the universe. Welcome to love, peace and happiness.
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My spiritual journey was very different from yours, but I have arrived at a similar destination. Thanks for sharing
I couldn’t get myself to read to the end. Because this message would have been a lot more offensive if I took the time to..
Simply put. It don’t matter what you worship shitty decisions are shitty decisions.
“Marriage not what is was promi...” FOH. Kmt
So with you, brother. Indeed love IS patient and kind, but you don't need religion to live it or go to church to find it or tead the Bible to know it.
Be well. Thanks for sharing.
I’m glad the faux happiness, burden, etc has been lifted off you. Wish you the best in this new phase of your life, never be afraid to ask questions.
I turned to the old ways of our ancestors years ago
Hello Dave. I wish you love and light. It may be difficult to steer away. It still is for me, but you are on the right part. ❤️
Please read face to face visitations with Jesus by David e taylor. I got it from amazon. It's not abt christianity it's abt Jesus appearing to Him and answering questions. All the best
I assume u r his PA
How e take affect me........
Hello Dave, many people with the same concerns as yours have gotten the answer to all the questions of which they failed to get from the self proclaiming Christian religions..... Please visit this site and you won't regret.. jw.org/en/bible-teach…
I have diligently gone through your tweet and immediately one thing becomes obvious. You have believed that all you did and knew was all there was to do and know. Your expectations were wrong cause I hv a completely diff nd tangible experience from yours. Love will yet save you.
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way to go!
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You're also telling the story of what I would've done had I not left in my mid twenties. When I had, i was doing 5 events a week, teaching, writing bible studies, leading youth groups, attended bible college. Walking away cost me a lot. But it gets better. It's worth it.
This is my experience minus no. 8. I have seen miracles- big ones. I have interacted with the prophetic big time. But still I stopped fully identifying with the faith- it's now a buffet relationship (I pick what serves me). I am now open to other truths
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I’m so sorry to hear that.
When I started deconstructing, it was difficult for me to figure out what I believed. I was convinced that there was a path that my life was supposed to travel and that I’d irrevocably strayed from it. I was lost and anchorless.
But after a lot of darkness and struggle, I found that God was still there for me. The very reason why I couldn’t buy what fundie faith was selling was that I knew God and that evangelical product wasn’t it.
It took me a while to separate what I had been sold about God from what I knew experientially.
At this point, I’ve been out of any church for a few years. I don’t know if I’ll become involved in one or not. You are correct: there is a lot that is wrong in churches. Maybe more than can be salvaged.
I’m not going to tell you what to do at this point. I think that these times are holy grounds where we can tear down the opaque veil that has been over our understanding and perhaps really see God and meet with God.
I think that we have all had enough of prescriptives. They are only used as a crutch to substitute for experience.
You can be active and serving in church without having an encounter. What you lacked in all your journey was an encounter with God. While we appreciate you for coming out. Seek a quiet place and ask God to reveal himself to you. God bless you.
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The letter killeth but the spirit gives life. You have understood faith from a parochial viewpoint and your existing ideologies have formed the basis of your belief system. The word of God is meant to mold your ideologies not the other way round. But love will yet lead u home.
Every where you go
Jesus Christ is not far away
He is right there with you.
Let me borrow some words from Jeremy Camp's song.
Jesus Christ made it clear to us, His followers were to face hard times but Jesus Christ has over come and Jesus Christ will see us through
My great uncle/aunt a priest/nun, told me God/religion was not real. They both said that church and religion were made up by man. They said the truth was in the love people had for one another and to just be kind and help those that need help.
Why is no one talking about the Holy Spirit here? Where does His help come in? Think on this Dave
Welcome to the “other side” 😀
Hey! I respect the decision you have taken. I have no idea the experiences you've had but I'm sure of one thing; God will find you. I'll pray for you and I'll be waiting for your testimony. It might take months or years but it will surely happen. God bless you.
I am sorry you went through this. It's sad that a person spends so much time in church and never meets Jesus.
huyai pano and take your time reading this
This is so real and so true. I have copied this and placed this on my FB page. I do hope many many people read your story. I certainly have and worked away from Christianity 20 years ago and I am a better person. I still count my blessing with my wife, kids & grandchild & friends
Your story reminds me of @BishopPearson . He was pastoring a mega church when a spiritual revelation forced him to reevaluate his beliefs. When he started preaching the truth, people left in droves. It takes courage to do what you did, especially as a pastor
Sending love and light your way. Big 🤗🤗🤗 from Lagos, Nigeria. I read your tweet and I can relate to an extent. I pray that God surround you with people who will genuinely love and care for you. Life has a way of throwing shades at us but we need to be resilient.
On your journey think about the fringe people a little more. Those of us on the fringes understand the Bible. We are not fettered by someone telling us what to read, what to believe, or worry about where we fall in the congregation. We are also free to see other pathways. 1/
Relax. Let go of your guilt. Dance as if no one is watching. Free yourself to see the world and your place in it unbound by organized religion. May peace be with you on your journey. ❤️
We must shun each value system that dehumanize us.
Definitely understand. I went to seminary and was a youth pastor in China. The hardest thing I ever did in my life was walk away from christianity. There are good people out there on all sides and you find more of them I found.
Now you truly are saved =]
Welcome to real freedom.
Oh dear Dave. It's okay to not be comfortable in religious. You should however know that, either you're in or out, God loves you absolutely and crazily. He wudda actually died if it was just you. So, reach out to him in your own language and with your own set of rules...
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... Not in anyone else's. You have a right to build a personal relationship with him. Love him your own way, seek him your own way and let go of the religion. Sending so much love and Light your way darl. If you need a friend, my DM is always open dearie. Welcome to freedom!
I'm so glad I walked away at an early age ... I can step into adulthood a free, Godless man.
All I have to say to you is that faith was not the problem, but the religion you were into. I’m catholic and I know my religion has made a lot of harm by following some rules the religion has. But the love of god is beyond the rules of men and their understanding of scriptures
It's just mythology.Take comfort in it if you like, but it's nothing more than that.
Hello sir, I'm so sorry about your experiences. I can only imagine how you must feel. However I can testify by the mercies of God of the supernatural. I pray you find grace to help in this season and also pray that you experience God's love in tangible measures. God bless you.
Its a shame it took so long but I'm glad you've finally allowed yourself to enjoy life. Having seen videos and read other similar stories I am aware of just how much guts that would have taken. 👏🏼 A world free from the poison of religion would be a much more peaceful world.
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coman see another one of those who have finally been saved from the shackles of religion..... Bro @DaveGass3, you're welcome to reality!
Ps- do you listen to @whosyourgodcast ? It's amazingly therapeutic to anyone who has walked away from organized religion.
@velveetaunderh1 @DaveGass3 Thank you!!
@DaveGass3 I'll send you a bill later.
Congratulations. You’ll never regret your decision. The tricky bit is now trying to understand why sane, rational people still believe in imaginary gods.
I'm always glad I made a similar decision from a young age.
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You never truly looked up to God, but mere mortals that fails. Just recently, God came through for me. He is a Living God and sure answers prayer. You don't need human approval, but God's. Even in your new journey, I pray you have a personal encounter with Him. Cheers!
Hugs to you. We have stopped attending church in the last year or so. Found we can find love (God) in helping others and working with groups that do. The church was full of hypocrisy, fighting and lacking love. I hope you find peace.
Thank you very much for this,all my love goes to you as you begin a new phase in your life. ❤️
Your point on how religion was designed to exercise control over its adherents is very evident in my country, as is in other 3rd world countries.
Knowledge of this could save nations
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This 👆negates a lot of things you said in this thread. May God heal your heart, and help you find the right path for you.
The Aslan House Story - Dave Gass
The Aslan House Story - Dave Gass
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Two words hit the nail on the head ‘maintaining control’
I’m sorry for your personal suffering but I am pleased that you have realised the Worlds oldest fairytale is just a story. You don’t need religion to be a good, decent & moral person!
I'm not here to judge you.
God has all the time been here waiting for you at this zero level, the point of sincerity. Having tried and failed to do it your own way, relax, let God reveal Himself to you. Let Him work it out in His time.
I wish you well, brother.
I read your whole thread. You are not alone and you are loved.
please go through this thread
As someone that became a Christian, I have a different experience, I know Jesus, he answers prayers, he healed my marriage & it is now what I thought it will never be. I don't know all the bible but I opened my heart & it's just awesome
Hugssssss.... I pray you find healing, peace and love.. 🤗🤗
The church today is quite in contrast to the teachings of Jesus Christ. Jesus was fearless but people have been made fearful as Christians today. The church I attend presently, I heard of how the pastor connived with land grabbers to send people out of their land possession ...
Since I've been very reluctant to attend the church. The victim who told me the story, himself a Christian is very bitter up till because he said he was about finishing the house when the incident occurred. Just as Bro Dave said, it's worse when you engage in church admin ...
There you experience a lot of things that cannot even be found among unbelievers. The beer parlour now seems better because there people express themselves but in church, most people are pretenders. However, all said and done, the practice in church shouldn't be a premises to ...
leave the faith of Christianity. My senior brother told me that since he stopped attending the church, he's been a better Christian because it's been between him and God. Bro Dave, the fact that you express love means God is still in you because God is love.
I think you had an epiphany. 😎👽✌️
got thru this thread my boy.
Jesus still loves you. Despite all these, always remember that.
Only the living can love, so love the living. In the joyful gatherings of friends you may find what Jesus--and many children since--did not see in the religion of his parents.
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Thanks for telling your story. I lost my evangelical faith in a similar way over a decade ago. It was costly but I look back and have zero regrets - except wishing I'd had the courage to explore my doubts more thoroughly when I was younger.
Sir, in all your statement you never mentioned your encounter with the Holy Spirit. Somehow, you sound so mechanical because Christianity is a thing of the Holy Spirit. If you didn't receive Him you would hardly do well as a Christian. Your situation is rather unfortunate!
thought of you when reading this thread.... Great read
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I pray you find the inner peace you seek.
Hoping things work out for you Dave - brave decision - keep well
Wall of text highlights.... I had a shitty job where I spent all day talking shit, I worked out it was all bull shit and quit the job. Now I don't know what to do with my life.
Your faith was weak anyway ...
It's very sad
Interesting 🤨
I had the same, I was born and raised 8n a Christian setting, I went through teenage ministry, kids ministry, But in high school though still a devout Christian who reads the Bible every morning and every night and praying the same, I had doubts, I had questions that the Bible
Imagine if this guy grew up in Nigeria in a Nigerian home. Hmmmmmm@m
Sending you strength, love and acceptance from Canada ❤️
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Can I join?
I'm speechless
But at the same time not shocked, cuz the Lord spoke of it
That?
That people will walk away from the faith.
Yeah ...see Hebrews 6:4-6
... Never seemed to quite answer, I'm still in my early 20s but I left it all at 19, it didn't make sense its too burdensome and this has been the happiest period of my life, I'm free, I found love in places and from people I condemned and they've been the best. Humanity ❤️
So sorry you are going through all of this. I hope it is better after the dust settles and you find out who your real friends are. You did the right thing. 💜
You've been practicing religion in Christianity but Christianity is not a religion. It is not about longevity in the Church neither is it about the scriptures you've memorised. The Bible said that the letter killeth.
Breathe. And admire the moon and stars. We’re all on a journey.
Don't you know that once you're a Christian the next thing to do is to receive the Holy Spirit. Paul asked the Ephesians Christians, have you received the Holy Ghost since you believed? For you to live a vibrant and successful Christian Life you have to receive the Holy Spirit.
Oh. He wasn't doing it right for 40 years! I bet he feels such a fool.
The Holy Spirit is the Spirit of God. He will guide you into all reality. He will make you understand scriptures and give you the revelation that you require to live a successful and vibrant Christian Life.
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@DaveGass3 I can't see the original tweet. Was it deleted?
By the way, did I just see "Twitter for Android" from you Last?
@TgMaks @DaveGass3 Yes I think the tweet was deleted, it was quite a long thread.
Microsoft dumped me so I had to move to andoroid.
@DaveGass3 Your loyalty to Microsoft was/is remarkable.
Why the need to tell anyone?
Jesus was betrayed by his disciple Judas, he was flogged, crowned with a thorns, stripped naked and crucified. Have you experience any of these apart from the crucifixions? Haven't you read about the great things Paul suffered for the faith, did he look back?
Your courage and resolve is inspiring. I hope your actions will help many others do the same.
It was never going to be easy but if you really read the bible like you said. There's no better place to find real peace than in presence of the most high.
It takes a very strong man to admit to living a lie, especially with regard to religion. Stay strong and be happy. It's all we've got brother.
Thank you for sharing. I have nothing but respect for you and i wish you the best.
But you quoting the bible to somone who doesnt believe in it is pointless. Its like somone quoting the Qoran or the book of Mormon kuwe who doesnt believe in them.
Yes. But now the bible is just a book to him. Just like we believed in fairy tales kudala
He literally says in the thread why he stayed in and it wasn't because he thought it was true. He was trying to find truth and found that the bible was not the place to find it.
How do you know god is perfect or exists? What proof do you have to convince me?
The answer will probably be 'coz the bible says so'
No. Reading the bible is what made me become an atheist.
Yes, you are acting holier than thou because you're saying if you were a true believer you'd never turn from god. I'm here to say that's absolutely not true.
I suggest you keep reading and searching. The truth is out there, your open mind is a gift - use it.
Wishing you peace, dude.
Remember that friendship with the world is with with God. Don't stray from the kingdom. Look for the nearest Christ Embassy Church and submit yourself to the Pastor and he'll counsel you. Make sure you receive the Holy Spirit before you leave.
Jesus still loves and cares for you. The good part is, he will never stop loving you. I'm a christian Christians and I'm sending all the love I can muster your way. #JesusNeverFails
Look for messages by @PastorChrisLive and listen to them over and over again and you'll be convinced that there is more to Christianity. It is not a religion.
I'm with you here bro,
I understand comments that will disparage your experiences, just ignore them.
Christ himself will understand you and save you as he reads this as well
So many things resonate with similar experiences I had in religion. I was In for 30 years. I'm a humanist now and I am much happier. I compare it to being able to see in color after only seeing in black and white. Good journey on your new path.
u should see this
Nigerian pastors will say. "God is testing u"
Good. Free your mind.
Cc @SheskoLee @KeenyIce Read through guys. This is an eye opener.
Be prepared. Some will labelled you as faithless, led astray by devil and the Psalms 14:1.
I walked away from church after being in an evangelical church for about a decade. I just don’t believe God sends people to hell. Period. I told God I was done with man’s teachings, I wanted him to show me who he is. I found him in nature and other spiritual teachings.
Ultimately returned to the Congregational church I wa in for years because I missed community, but some days I have to tell myself “don’t run away again,” like when we read a communal confession. I refuse to say the negative words, just thank you for loving me in my head.
I wish you the best and all the joy your heart desires. I am not a Christian anymore, either. I still love Jesus’ teachings, but they are also found in The Tao te Ching, and every religion. It’s all about LOVE. And may we all find it in abundance, true heaven in earth.
*heaven ON earth.
u should read this.
kindly check this out...can you please say something to him.
Amen...
It's a very sad one. But the truth is, you followed all, but one thing, the HOLY SPIRIT. That is the present day reality...
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you can't be a Christian without knowing the Holy Spirit and allowing Him live in you. Christianity is not a religion...
You know what? The supernatural power you looking out for is both free air that you breath. If you want to experience God! Seek him and you will find...maybe he's looking for more from you. Some of us wish we can be like you...so don't leave GOD!
So plants are supernatural then?
Or, or, and this is more likely, there is no god, it's all man made and we only have one another to rely on.
you practiced religion, and that was what got you confused. I pray you will find the reality in Christianity, and come back soon.
Check out @C_Stroop
Sorry Your story turned out this way. All the best.
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A powerful and moving story! I wish you success and happiness in your post-Christian life! 👍
Thank you for sharing your story. Many people took the same path to true freedom as you have. Lives and circumstances differ but the conclusion is the same. Religion is a farce and a tool that is abused for control over others.
This is interestingly sad 😔
Jesus loves you
Thank you for sharing your story, sir. Blessings to you on your journey.
Another one sees the light.
read this whole thread.
Get in touch with Dan Barker if yoh have not already done so.
Thanks for sharing. I read the whole thing.
I was a Christian for 20 years
Read the Bible faithfully. Went to church, church camp, Bible studies, etc
Got heavy into apologetics in college
Left the faith emotionally in 2013, but officially in my mind in 2015
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Too bad.
He got the wrong version of christianity.
I feel very bad about it
Every version is the wrong one.
There are more sects of Christianity than chapters in the Bible.
This is not a sign that any of it is real.
Job faced much more and still remained with God. Doubts do creep in at times but that’s Satan at work trying to make you feel like a failure. You shouldn’t depend on anyone 100% cos they are in the church. Judas was close to Christ and still let him down
May I ask what denomination you were?
You've been torn down, but what better place from which to build yourself back up?
Are you averse to researching other religions?
Might you publish again - this time with anecdotes & comparisons?
Blessed be. & Best of luck.
What you have done have strengthened my faith in Christ the more. He said..in the last days, many will depart from the faith and turn to feebles but those that will linger to the end will be saved..
Love and light to you Dave. You've learnt more than most ever could. ❤️
Wow Dave! I read your whole thread and it really moved me. Many of us atheists went through a rough coming out period as well but it was all worth it and liberating! Welcome to the camp of reason.
⚛Welcome to freedom!I can't relate cuz I've been a life long non believer,I've never read a religious book,But c the harm in many ppl lives religion has done. You don't need a book 2tell u how2 b decent human being,Good luck on ur journey my friend⚛
Brother try Islam❤❤❤
Christ still loves you bro, and He will not give up on you till the end of your days....for me, I know whom I have come to believe, whom my hands have touched, my eyes have seen and my ears have heard..
I wish you all the best and want to add my support! You showed integrity by walking away. The haters don’t understand and may continue to try to gaslight or dismiss you, but they mouth off from a place of insecurity and ignorance. Best wishes as you navigate your freedom.
I don’t see bravery, I was 11 when I realized religion was a scam.
Thank you for sharing. I went through it around 26. Still live part of that sham. I've tried, but it'd be easier to come out as Gay in my family, (not hyperbole), than to say you don't believe. The idea you can't be moral without God is so strong.
...in the last days, many will depart from the faith..
In his days, multitudes left because they were looking for bread and butter and not the life..
..but the true disciples remained because 'to whom shall they go when He has the word of life'.
Welcome to this other world
Just read this thread through. You did the right thing. The path to individuation is never easy. And it’s almost impossible to achieve within the framework of organized religion. Go back to those myths and read some Jung!
Amazing thread! Really strikes a chord with me on numerous points. Good luck and enjoy the freedom.
Just glad I woke up to this reality at an early age in my life.I tell people who ask me that the most wretched days of my life were the times I was most devoted in church.Nowadays, I still believe there's a God but I relate with him one on one. Enjoy the rest of your life Dave.
Maybe you should consider a second stage of ministry by becoming a Unitarian Universalist minister where your questions are welcome and authenticity is valued over arbitrary compliance. @UUA
It's difficult to believe that anyone who really reads the Bible won't come to the same conclusion you did, especially if they study the origins. You now know how many others are inevitably in your situation, but don't have the courage to say it. You are a brave man Dave.
, read this thread. It is precisely what we were talking about. @DaveGass3, thanks for sharing. The Way still loves you with an unrelenting love and will never let go.
Yikes! This was so hard to read. So much I could say. The part about how people treated him when he first walked away pained me most! Praying for you brother! Jesus loves you!
Please expound on the topic miracles and speaking in tounges? Do tounges happen or we just utter words to satisfy the spirit?have you ever experienced a real miracle ?
Papa Idahosa used to perform miracles, including raising the dead in Benin. I was too young to prove their veracity especially in the absence of Social Media & the camera age in which we now live. Now, when proofs are easy, suddenly miracles DRIED UP, only money & scandals. WHY?
@DaveGass3 Very true, Ma'am.
It is well @DaveGass3; but please remember that "Union" with Christ is chiefly personal.
You may feel betrayed today, but Jesus loves you still, "… having loved His own which were in the world, He loved them unto the end." (John 13:1).
Shal💘m!
cc @ToluAdekolu thoughts?
Plenty. I just read through the thread. Loading.
Plz am interested in ur plenty tots when they're ready
It might help thnks
Interesting. I honestly can't blame him. The church has missed the point, and we're no longer concerned with what matters to God. Love is the point that we've missed. Until we come together in love, the body of Christ would never be complete to save this world.
We will talk more in person bro.
I was never a pastor, but so much of this resonates with me. I second the recommendation that you look up the Clergy Project.
Welcome, Dave! I applaud your courage. I know it’s tough right now, but it’s temporary. Now that you’re living authentically, your life will flourish.
Hi there. As a former Apostolic who walked away many years ago, I hear you and want to let you know you know everything will be ok. It’s maddening and scary to leave the fold but once you get through the initial shock it gets better as your heart and mind heals.
Be kind and good to yourself. Nurture your need for spirituality but not the need for control of an unknown afterlife. Seek talk therapy if needed. Rebuild your life one second at a time. Good luck and welcome.
Seems to me you gave everything to religion...not Christ and just because you follow Christ doesn’t mean you won’t have problems,it doesn’t mean God will auto fix all your ills...a lot of Christians go thru tribulations,some die and still never lose faith...I hope you find you
This took a lot of guts and strength and a lot of hardwork and soul searching.... May God reveal himself to you and give you peace in your heart
Stay real
Stay strong
Finally....you need to read the Qur'an
Lol. Which Quran
Are there 2 Qur'an in the world?
Snowflake
Welcome! After the initial shock and fear, I suspect you’ll find that you are happier than you’ve ever been before. Being able to be yourself and be a free-thinker in your own chosen life is real freedom. It takes courage to share this. Thank you.
Hi Dave, a really bold statement & powerful. I too am not a Christian but my faith is firmly placed on YHWH & his son, Yeshua. Modern day church, is pagan based as 99% of churches follow the Roman Catholic teachings, like Christmas & Easter. Yah still saves, still loves you
I get u point sir... I too seek same answers to ur questions but d more I seek d more I get doubts... well all I do tell people is to show love to one another and to always do good...
Grew up in the Bible Belt. The hardest part for me was the shun I felt from all my friends and family. Stay strong brother 👊🏻
Sucks. Fake Christians and that’s a huge issue. There are many who preach unconditional love yet you better share my beliefs. Dang hypocrites. I’m a Christian & I get lumped in with them.
Honestly I feel worse for Christians like you than I do atheists. There are Christians out there that really want to use their faith as a weapon against hate and bigotry, but they get over shadowed by extremists or fundamentalists. Thanks for being one of the good ones.
Much love to you. So glad you could now be whom you really are..
thought you might find this interesting. I seen you post about something similar
I exited after almost 30 years leading congregations 7 years ago, as well as a cradle to adult follower. I actually was part of the Catholic & mainline and began to see in the pews this incubation of persons into, well ugliness. Could not overcome the peddling of cheap ‘grace.’
I could go on an on, but like a petri I realized the institution was complicit in too many theological thought patterns to be taken seriously anymore. Extending forgiveness with no insistence of serious change. These same patterns literally trapping persons in inhumane behaviors.
I could no longer support that kind of systemic and institutional nonsense.
Wow bravest thing I have read in a while I hope a strangers kind thoughts will help in some small way good luck it’s a big leap but I hope you can find peace and happiness
For me, this is a very refreshing thing to read. A man finally allowed to see the light within himself, no longer held back by religion (any religion). Good luck to you my friend.
I read through your thread and your mostly right about the church but you did not disprove the existence of God and his son Jesus
You dont have to be a Christian or belong to a Church, but be Christ like in your lifestyle in reverence to God through our Lord Jesus
The vanity in Church has mostly eroded its humble purpose
Surely the onus is on those who profess that belief to provide the proof, not the other way round.
A 'voice of reason' would accept that as axiomatic.
What made you think this was a debate?
You have awakened. Well done.
You know, there is more to Christian faith than evangelicals. Thanks for your honesty.
Hey man, I pray you get healed soon and be at peace with your being. Many of the things taught in the name of Christianity are actually man made. Yes there is a God, mere randomness would not have been able to produce beautiful You. Does He answer prayers, Yes He does. check/1
You are not alone Brother. Be your besy you. ❤️
For a moment, I thought that @AndyStanley was finally coming out.
PLEASE read the thread, and reflect.
Please join us. Sincerely.
Let’s build a NorthPoint on Jesus’ teaching, not the lies of the Bible. Most of your attendees don’t really believe anyway.
Please join us.
Let’s build a NP on Jesus’
“Love your neighbor.”
Working title: “Sermon on the Mount Congregation.”
We could call ourselves “Mountists.”
@Goodbye_Jesus Sr. Pastor
@LauraAFarhy Youth Minister
@aussiedave Social Media
@jack_son_black Worship Leader
You, starting a church for the love of Jesus? I’d show up. Ha ha
I think North Point does a pretty good job on consistently preaching about loving the unlovable. (I got about a decade of survey samples under my belt. )
NorthPoint does a GREAT job.
They already ignore the Old Testament, as well as EXPLICIT
NT teachings on divorce and women in leadership and pastoral care.
It’s my kinda church! (TM)
The Mountists need a bold leader to take it one step further and reject biblical divinity!
Yeah! Our first member!
Love the earth and sun and the animals, despise riches, give alms to every one that asks.
Devote your income and labor to others, hate tyrants, argue not.
Have patience and indulgence toward the people.
Go freely.
Re-examine all you have been told.
Bottom line God knew u all along. Your heart was never made for Him, u live your live tempting God. U were never ready to carry any cross or persevere in trial times and u have never experienced the Holyspirit. You read the word of God on stony ground where seed won't germinate.
I carefully read your tread and found out two things.... 1) You didn’t make JESUS the Lord of your life; there wasn’t any personal relationship between you and Him.
2) What you devoted your time for was purely religion. Just my take
You.... walking away wont stop the Gospel..Just know God wont give up on you...I look forward for your comeback🤗
Study Islam. It might lead you your fulfilment
So much like my story (and the stories of so many others). 44 years an Evangelical before I escaped 5 years ago, and I'm happier and more spiritually fulfilled than ever in my life. New identity. New family. New life. And my depression is gone, too. j.mp/1rSLtBz
Here's the deal. Jesus hasn't changed. He is/was still perfect. What people concoct around Him/God can be dismissed & often should be. That makes "church" a dicey proposition for sure. But walk with Him & you just might find the home where it starts making sense again. I did. 2/
Few people will understand the deepness of his thought. Very sincere and sound reasoning!
Sad that PEOPLE hurt and failed you, so you are walking away from GOD.. but it’s a story I hear a lot. Putting faith in people will always cause heartache.
U thot u were spiritual all along but u were being religious. Religion and spirituality don't meet anywhere anytime. Now ur beginning to realise d difference. Ur journey to true spirituality just started. Be patient with yourself while you search. Remain fearless. All d best...
He should as well denounce all the money he made as a pastor for 20years.
ᴍʏ ʜᴇᴀʀᴛ ᴡᴀs ʙʀᴇᴀᴋɪɴɢ ᴀs ɪ ʀᴇᴀᴅ. ɴᴏ ᴏғғᴇɴsᴇ ʙᴜᴛ ɪᴛ ғᴇᴇʟs ʟɪᴋᴇ ɪ ʀᴇᴀᴅ ᴀ sᴜɪᴄɪᴅᴇ ʟᴇᴛᴛᴇʀ. ɪ'ᴍ ᴅᴇғ ᴘʀᴀʏɪɴɢ ғᴏʀ ᴜ ᴍᴀɴ ᴏғ ɢᴏᴅ ʙᴄ ɪ ᴋɴᴏᴡ ᴀ ᴄʜʀɪsᴛɪᴀɴ ᴡᴀʟᴋ ɪsɴ'ᴛ ᴇᴀsʏ, ʟᴏᴏᴋ ᴀᴛ ᴊᴇsᴜs ʙᴜᴛ ᴛʜɪs ɪsɴ'ᴛ ᴛʜᴇ ғɪɴɪsʜ ʟɪɴᴇ
ᴛʜᴇʀᴇ's ᴍᴏʀᴇ ᴛᴏ ᴛʜɪs sᴛᴏʀʏ.. ᴛʜᴇʀᴇ ᴀʀᴇ ᴛʀɪᴀʟs ʙᴄ ᴡᴇ'ʀᴇ ɪɴ ᴛʜɪs ᴡᴏʀʟᴅ ʙᴜᴛ ɴᴏᴛ ᴏғ ᴛʜɪs ᴡᴏʀʟᴅ. ʙᴜᴛ ᴀ ᴅᴀʏ ᴡɪʟʟ ᴄᴏᴍᴇ ᴡʜᴇɴ ɪᴛ ᴡɪʟʟ ʙᴇ ᴀʟʟ ᴡᴏʀᴛʜ ɪᴛ. ᴜʀ ɪɴ ᴍʏ sɪɴᴄᴇʀᴇ ᴘʀᴀʏᴇʀs❤️🙏🏽
There are people who have gone through terrible situations and they are still in the faith. God never said it would be easy. But he promised us that we will overcome.
ᴀᴍᴇɴ🙌🏽 ... ᴡᴇ ᴀʀᴇ ᴏᴠᴇʀᴄᴏᴍᴇʀs ᴛʜʀᴜ ᴄʜʀɪsᴛ..
More like you are in wilful denial and all the while so ignorant and arrogant about it
Your God would NOT BE IMPRESSED
Our God said in Romans8:35-37 Who shall separate us from the love of Christ? Shall trouble or hardship or persecution or famine or nakedness or danger or sword? 36 As it is written: “For your sake we face death all day long; we are considered as sheep to be slaughtered.”
37 No, in all these things we are more than conquerors through Him who loved us..
ɢᴏᴅ ʙʟᴇss ʏᴏᴜ😉
What a disgusting thing to say- borders on blasphemy. You claim to speak for God- that’s a serious trespass on those rules of his isn’t it
Save your blessings for yourself, blasphemer. you’re going to need them when he finds out what a shitty Christian you’ve been.
Sounds like a really compassionate guy
Not wrathful and jealous or gaslighty and abusive
That was sarcasm
If you were in a relationship with a guy like that I hope for your sake you’d know to run
But I seriously doubt it
&ᴡʜᴇʀᴇ ᴡʟᴅ ᴜ sᴜɢɢᴇsᴛ ɪ ʀᴜɴ ᴛᴏ?🤔
Anywhere but with Him
He does not care about you
He is exploiting and abusing you
And even worse: you try to cajole other people into that same cruel and punishing situation
Your God is not a benevolent force for good in the universe. Sorry.
ᴀɴʏᴡʜᴇʀᴇ? &ᴛʜɪs ɪs ᴜʀ ᴀᴅᴠɪᴄᴇ??.. ɪ ǫᴜᴏᴛᴇᴅ ᴛʜᴇ ᴡᴏʀᴅ ᴏғ ɢᴏᴅ sɪʀ.. ɪ ᴛᴀᴋᴇ ɪᴛ ᴜ ᴅᴏɴ'ᴛ ʜᴠ ᴍᴜᴄʜ ᴍᴏʀᴇ ᴛᴏ ᴅᴏ ʙᴜᴛ ᴛʀᴏʟʟ.. ɪғ ᴜ ᴡᴀɴᴛ ᴛᴏ ᴋɴᴏᴡ ʜɪᴍ, ɪ'ʟʟ ᴇɴɢᴀɢᴇ.. ᴏᴛʜᴇʀᴡɪsᴇ, ɪ'ᴍ ᴀʙᴏᴜᴛ ᴛᴏ ᴘʀᴀʏ &ʀᴇʟᴀx☺️
Dave, I've read all your comments and I get it. I really do. I'm sorry that you are going and have gone through so much pain. You have a tender heart towards others and need to seek your joy. For me, Jesus is important, but church is too painful.
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Congratulations.
Sometimes I hate Twitter for the seeming glibness of response. We were raised very differently so I can't imagine your pain (or courage) in walking away from as much as you have. But maybe even these replies says something to you about God's love you could not have imagined? 3/
Do you read #jonpavlovitz? It will make you feel not alone.
Way to go guy!
Welcome to the default human state, free.
Your entire thread here was compelling reading.
May you find closure and eventually be accepted for who you truly are.
This is the real "Born again"!
For my part, I'd also be happy to engage with you if you need another supportive, listening 👂 as your story really touched me. DM if you're so inclined. In the meantime, I'm praying for you. Jesus is still there, brother...4/4
Welcome to the light Dave .
The problem with religious leaders are when they take it as a professional/fulltime job,...
Unfortunately it is pretty hard to do that without it being a "job". My father was also a pastor, and unfortunately for a church that only has one pastor, the job demands 50+ hours per week. I don't care how dedicated someone is, you cannot get that for free.
it is just so uncanny how this thread resonates with me...
Good luck. You're on the right path. Stay strong.
It is not for me or anyone to judge you for your previous or current position.
Wow. This sounds extremely like my journey. I’m the son of a Methodist pastor, and was literally raised in church all of my life. Now I haven’t stepped into a church in almost 3 years, because I can’t. I honestly thought I was the only one. Thank you 🙏🏾
Although, it has been a lonely journey at times.
Without trying to sound religious you can still have a relationship with God and the Holy Spirit . Nowadays when I miss church doesn’t bother me like before.I have seen God so much in my life but it’s because I have decided I don’t wanna be religious no more!!
Powerful. You did everything asked of you and still sought truth. It may be painful now but the knowledge you have going forward and the love you’ll spread as a result will be more beneficial. Be proud.
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Very much all the reasons I walked away too. You are not alone.
Me too. Deeply into evangelical fundamentalism at one time.
I am convinced that we have the wherewithal to run our lives ourselves, without any external frame of reference. It's scary at first, but it's possible. Why were we not told this in childhood?
You will find a better life so long as you keep moving forward. It may take a while, but good days await.
Good luck to you, and I will be keeping you in my thoughts. I’m one of those fringe people, I love Jesus, but the Church isn’t something that has ever been a great thing. Find true Christian love from those around you who love and support you no matter what. ❤️❤️
Welcome to the community of humans where labels are secondary, and unnecessary. I try to live by discernment and compassion. I don't need theology to love myself unconditionally. It is a great freedom and i am a better person for it.
Glad you found peace, love and freedom ❤
I can’t begin to put in words how much I relate to this. But you just have. The amount of love, acceptance, and forgiveness that can be found outside the church is so abundant. More than I ever found within the church. I always feel like an imposter at services or college nights
Jesus loves you bro believe me.
Thank you for your post- I too am a former pastor who no longer calls herself a christian.
May the Lord have mercy on you and open your spiritual eyes and ears to the real truth in Christ Jesus..May you experience His fresh touch and renew your strenght in Jesus name..
Well, Just know that there's plenty like you, the atheist population is constantly growing. Lots of peeps feel like they're alone sadly.
Thank you for sharing this ❤️
Yes. We worked this out at the age of 14.
But congratulation on your courage and belated wisdom, and good luck with part 2.
I'm a Christian, not religious though, and I wouldn't mind being your friend.
Really?
Christianity as a religion will fail you. Christianity is not a religion, it's God's life at work in man.
After clearly stating that after 40 years of searching there was no God to be found, people comment that they hope he finds God again...
Makes sense.
Unfortunately these people have no respect for his choices, their priority is to 'save him' 🤷
Sounds pretty saved to me!
He’s just feeling guilty he contributed to the downfall of humanity for so long as part of the machine. Now he wants sympathy? Please....
i became more tolerant and kinder when i gave up religion. just sayin.
The guilt must be crushing, knowing you contributed to the pain of so many.
i console myself that i didn’t end up a rando twitter asshole
Y’all always find and excuse. Must be nice to never take responsibility.
blocked, troll
People like that can't even let themselves entertain the idea that they may be wrong.
They're literally not allowed to or they would be "sinful".
If you believe he is going to an eternal fiery hell, then it's equivalent of trying to stop him jumping off a bridge. I doubt I would 'respect the choice' of a jumper and walk on by and I don't think you would either.
They just see the world a different way.
Come on guys, just let it go and respect his decisions. I mean why do they feel very insecure for losing someone from their religion? Are they really that desperate till the point of going around trying to force/convert others into Christianity especially in SEA countries?
I got that stuff when I made my decision. It's as if I'd buggered their stats, more than anything. Complete disrespect for me, for my sorrow, or for my courage in walking out. That disrespect gave me more strength than ever.
But some have been devastated by the hardness.
no - their priority is to save their delusion and impose it on everyone else as well
Yup yup, easier to believe a lie when everyone around you believes it to.
I find it hard to believe that the book was written over 2000 years ago, as though that's all that should ever be written. What about all of the other things we have learned over the last 2000 years as humans, that totally contradict an old book written by humans?
Truly great thread, I walked away from religion and my "Christian upbringing" 35 yrs ago, I have never felt more free. Congratulations
Thank you for your courage and leadership here. Many people have been harmed in the name of "faith in God" and are with you in spirit as you build a new life.
Beautiful writing of a heartbreaking story. I hope you find peace in your new life. ✌️
If it's any consolation, professional atheists are often absolute trash too..
How did “new atheism” slide so far toward the alt-right?
A movement supposedly committed to science and reason has decayed into racism, misogyny and intolerance. I'm done
salon.com
Thanks for sharing. Welcome to the other side. PK here 🙋🏼♀️ I get it and want to say it gets a lot better when you are no longer controlled. 😘
Behold the Christians, accusing you of never being a Real Christian, or not good enough of a Christian, a faker. Tell me oh glorious believers, which one of you lives up to your own standards? Hyporites the lot of you.
Sorry for your pain, Dave. Hope things improve fast.
...the priest came,joined her in prayers. She conceived same February. No complications, no stress, no pregnancy sickness all through, OB GYN said her birth is the smoothest he has since in his 30 yrs career. we named her Angela because she is such an angel. it was a Miracle
What...?
Sibaningi esesiwoke 🤣🤣🤣
😂😂😂 siwoke or is the struggle just very real??
Powerful testimony there, sir. I have had all the same doubts, but never tried so hard as you did.
I am now attending and serving in a Unitarian universalist congregation and I love the community without the dogma.
I would invite you to visit one, if you ever want that.
You have so many messages of support! What a powerful thread. I'll offer that the year I spent as a youth minister was easily the worst year of my life: power struggles, hateful attitudes, the focus on money. We are a family of 4 #atheists in the deep South. It's a happy life!
This feels very reminiscent of the stories of Matt Dillahunty and Dan Barker. Worth checking out if you're unfamiliar with them.
Been reading the bible for the first time and I’m horrified to find the Lord behaving like a homicidal Trump. Thanks for sharing your brave story.
Hi Dave. Welcome to being good for goodness sake (which you really were all along). (((Hugs)))
Well said Gina. Sweet And elegant
Do unto others...it's simple, it's honest, it's.....gold! ☮️♥️
This is a great first step.
Do you intend on doing any public speaking or writing to work on undoing the damage you've caused over the years? I know you might not think of it that way, but that abusive system you spoke of disliking? It hurts tons of people and you were leading it
I know that sounds mean, but as someone with Complex PTSD brought on by the abuse I suffered growing up evangelical (and being gay and trans) it's a legit question.
I'm not mad at you, don't hate you, am glad someone else found the guts to decouple from the illusion
But there's gotta be more to it than just "I used to be that guy, but I'm better now"
I'd challenge you to look up all the kids from churches you used to pastor and see how many came out as LGBTQ+
and then contact them and apologize
I just looked you up, and while several churches have scrubbed you from their websites, not all of them have.
We're not talking about churches friendly towards people like me.
I left too. One day-suffering-I watched the sun set. Thought-it will rise tomorrow. Like gravity holds me to earth, the sun will rise. Felt profound comfort. Then-oh, that’s faith. Same energy pulls us together into community. And then, oh, that’s love. God=Energy. For me, done.
Mehn I have a lot of unanswered things and stuff that bothers me but I'll rather stay here trust me hell is a place I dread physical fire is a bomb imagine hell for your sake try one m time🙏
Thread. 👏👍👏
Thank you so much for sharing your story. 🖤
As a lifelong atheist I honor the courage it took you to make this change.
I understand more than you ever know. You are tired, burn out, churched out. Underappreciated, overlooked, stepped on and mistreated. This is my first time coming across your profile. DM if you need to talk. I am here for you. ❤️🤗❤️🤗❤️
As a PK who watched my father leave a sect of Christianity in order to minister the way he felt was right, I can completely relate to how awful and cruel a congregation can be to a pastor, and their family, when that pastor makes the decision to leave or go a different way 1/
I'm so sorry you had to go through that. Your story sounds very like mine except that my dad was the pastor and I the doubting child. It was a very difficult, painful road but I'm glad I made the decision several years ago to leave and choose my own path 2/
I wish I could say it gets easier quickly but that would be lying. Just know that there are many of us out here that understand and get it. You are not alone. If you need to talk ever just reach out. You don't have to feel alone now. ❤️3/end
You’re amazing ❤️
Thank you for sharing.
You've articulated my problem with "church." "But the church burdens people with fear, shame, and guilt, all for the purpose of maintaining control." Still, I keep holding on to Jesus. Despite the pain and disappointment of this world, what Jesus teaches is true.
Religion is the opium for the masses! In the name of religion we rape, kill and pillage! Follow your heart and mind! I believe in a creator, I don’t believe in men manipulation of that belief!
Do what's right for you and Stay blessed
My faith in Christ just got even stronger after reading this.. Thanks anyways!
Lost one life but you’ve gained more than you could have imagined - enjoy the journey
13-17 is the most eloquent, elegant, accurate description of The Church I have ever seen.
My walk away only took a decade. Sorry yours cost you 1/2 a lifetime.
Good for you. But please remember, evangelicalism is inherently NOT Christianity. I gave up Christianity too myself and a firm agnostic for years now, but I still remember. It’s tough. Good luck.
I'm so sorry about the pain and all, but I want you to know you are loved. Never say never, but I'm sure that truth will find you and all this chaos will be put in order. Jesus died for you, he is coming to find you brother, its going to be ok
Well done Dave. To be a human being of peace and love you do not need to consider yourself Christian. #beyondtheprecepts
I pray you find nothing but love and peace in the second half of journey. I can't imagine the hordes coming for you after your 'break up'. Let love reign!!!
Proud of you!!
Rebirth. Transformation. Whatever this is, enjoy and have a good one.
To me belief in God is totally alien. Even as a child raised somewhat religiously I never believed and still it hurts at times. I cannot imagine the pain you are in as a former believer. I suggest finding a local humanist group, you may find that sort of community comforting
It happened to me too. You are not alone. But, it’s very lonely.
I stopped being a Christian when I read the Bible straight through. I went searching for my personal truth. It takes courage, and I think we will continue searching our whole lives, because that truth is ever changing. I hope you feel better now that you can be true to yourself.
have you never encounterd God / Jesus? Had a relationship with Him? Pray for people and see them healed. Get accurate words of knowledge?
Did you read the thread?
Yes. He totally missed it. Go to Bethel Church in Redding CA man. I promise you will walk away in Love with God. People get healed there daily. God is so real. I can't even begin to tell you.
I think you might be the one totally missing it here.
So...he was a longtime minister of the faith, but he would only get who God really is if he attends your church in CA?
Gotta be honest with you. That sounds cultish af.
@DaveGass3 Well the Church he attended didn't bear any fruit as far as I can see and Jesus said you will be known by my fruit. So, Bethel is ons example of a very good church. There are many. This just one I know of personally.
@DaveGass3 Yes, you shall be known by your fruit. Have you ever considered that the problem might not be w/ Dave walking away as much as it is what he was walking away from? Not just his church, but evangelicalism itself? There is a lot about evangelical Christianity that isn’t “fruitful.”
@DaveGass3 It’s also quite presumptuous to think your church is somehow above it all. It’s hard to see things for what they are when you’re in it.
@DaveGass3 I’m not in it. That’s just one in USA I know personally. The one in my town is a young church. Love you @potstirrercast would love to chat in person and give you a big hug. Twitter is a bit robotic. 😊
Did you read any of what he wrote? At all?
We did. If was in a church where he wasn't loves for being real he was in a fake church
And how did you determine what is a real church and what is a fake one?
This is similar to the no true Scottsman fallacy, when people state someone wasn't a TRUE/REAL Christian.
But if you had actually read what he posted, you wouldn't be asking those questions anyway.
Matthew 10:8 => Heal the sick, raise the dead, cleanse those who have leprosy, drive out demons. Freely you have received; freely give. => so if Dave did not do these things he missed a ton of other stuff in the bible as well. There is a difference between reading and doing.
Which does nothing to answer my question.
I asked HOW you determined what the true church is, or what a true Christian is. Not just YOUR take on passages.
Of which, btw, many Christians have their own take on.
And you have done these things? Really? -_-
Yip some of them sure. Working on raising the dead ;). God is love. He doesn't like tradition and or religion. He wants His bride. A church that does not love its people is missing His heart.
I'm not the perfect Christian. There is none. I don't have all the answers. That is God's mystery to seek Him out. I have seen to much not to believe in Him.
Well the answer sure isn't the god of the bible.
That god is a vain, twisted, murderous monster with so many contrary attributes that i can easily say that being can either not exist or it would go mad from said contradictions.
Maybe you havn't really read the bible. Read Bill Johnson - Is God Good it will help 😉
Sure I have, it's one of the main reasons I started on my path to atheism.
And no spin or subjective opinion by you or anyone else can alter what the book actually says.
Know what helped me? Discarding religion and belief in a god as untrue.
Why do you need to read some other guy’s book to learn how to read the Bible? One of the points of the Protestant Reformation was to get away from having someone else interpret the Bible for you.
@DaveGass3 Its essential to check the scriptures whilst reading the book. Why do you listen to mentors and professors if you can just go and read for yourself?
@DaveGass3 You’re missing the plot. The reason churches like yours exist is (at least in part) bc of the idea that individuals should have the tools to interpret scripture themselves. Not simply to have an authority tell them what it says.
So you cured leprosy and cast out demons?
Erin, have you had any psychiatric help by chance?
There must have been something wrong with his faith, he must have heard the wrong message of salvation...different doctrines, definitely.... What about speaking in other tongues??? Not even that??? Something must have been wrong...like seriously did he pray and worship God alone
He must have not had the right teaching on how to spend time with God and how to draw God closer to yourself.....devotion is like the key..worship...expressing love to God in your own time everyday and praying and reading His word....is key..how could your life remain the same?
Dave, being a non-believer isn’t that different from where you were, we just believe in one fewer deity than you did. (You didn’t believe in Thor or Marduk, right?)
We love our kids just as much and don’t waste time trying to gain favor from an imaginary being, welcome.
Thanks for sharing this , i wish you good luck on your new journey
Read your whole thread. Been in the same place. Haven’t found it much better outside the church. I finally became content when I stopped caring what people thought about how I should think & feel. I am still considerate of others, they just don’t determine my happiness.
I wish you all the best!
Whenever you ever feel like the burden of ostracism or judgment is too much to bear, I hope you can find some consolation in knowing that you're not alone (apologies for the cliché).
This is one of the saddest things I’ve read in a while. You just need to know that people are praying for you. Having faith doesn’t make us immune to pain and death. The church is not God. You may have left the church and your faith but God did not leave you. He still loves you.
The Roman's designed this thing, but we don't give them enough credit, I wish u well @DaveGass3
Edez?
thoughts on this...
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When you refuse to question anything, not only do you know nothing but believe in nothing. Religious people fear god too much I always say. Ask questions. doubt, its ok seek answers but they throw faith at you and call you names. The Bible god is a sham. Wake up!
It gets better. I walked away after years of service. You’ll replace that guilt and anxiety with a sense of peace eventually. Almost feels like a hangover at first m, then it clears up and you start to feel like the real you. Thanks for sharing !
Wow, you did a LOT of things! You lived the “holy” life. If you hadn’t said Jesus in your thread, I would have wondered if you missed the importance of that faith. I hope you find what really matters in this life and the next. I got burned by the church. I still look to Jesus tho
Best of luck on your journey. I'm so glad you're living your true life now ❤️
I was raised Catholic then Apiscopalian. Never felt at home and always felt like it was hollow... Come and get something read at you for an hour or 2. Don't think. Just accept it. Pushed me away from faith for 10+ years. But now I'm thinking I believe something closer to Quaker
Faith and I would love to be able to explore that one day. Goodness through action and there is holiness in all of us. (Modern Quakers don't necessarily believe in God but that we all have godliness & goodness.) I can get down with that. Not w/being told what to think
In the end, it’s liberating.
Dave, you have a strong seeking spirit. May I suggest Buddhism? It accords with science and reason. SGI-USA.org
May God reveal Himself to you because He is real. As the way He revealed Himself to Saul who become Paul with no trace of religion, godly activity. May His peace that suppaseth human understanding flow in your life. HE still loves you despite all.
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Sorry for the upheaval in your life. Please be gentle and kind to yourself during this time. Don't judge yourself or feel bad for what you needed to do for yourself. You are amazing for being strong enough for all of this. Love to you...
This is sn amazing story. Thank you for your insight. I gree up in a communist country and religion was never part of my life. Sometimes I felt envious of people who had religion in their life. But I saw a dear friend being thrown away from her church because dhe tried to help1/
Please stop taking drug and will be well
Dude. 😭 feel this deeply. Thanks for your vulnerability.
Religion is your way of life, what people mean to you not gods. What you feel within you and exercise in your day to day life. You have done the right thing by speaking your truth. You are not a god dnt seek godly Ness just live/lead a positive life.
Christianity is just a facet of the hunger for people to believe in something purposeful.
There're many purposeful things one can do, and be nice, understanding and loving to people. You dont have to belong to any group to do this.
Well done - the rest of your life beckons.
You are a wise soul. Congrats.
Her guy friend and was thrown out in the most despicable and hostile way. I saw her pain and struggle with that. I am fine where I am without official religion but would go to church snd light a candle occasionally as a spiritual act.
Dear, dear Dave, that painful story is your journey to God. Like for so many, the fundamentalist beginnings took years to break out of; a guilt ridden and self doubting and going through motions time. But now, welcome to freedom.
Whether you realize it or not, God has been pushing you toward Love. Remember, "God is Love"? That is truth and Love takes boundless forms. Read and become friends with Richard Rohr, Thomas Merton, James Martin, to name a few I read. A whole different worldview! Start over.
I can't imagine what it must be like to come to that point and to abandon 40 years worth of work and life, it must have taken so much courage to do, I hope that you can find your own meaning in life and best of luck to you <3
All the best to you. I wasn’t raised with religion and I’ll never understand it. Life is fairly simple, it’s difficult and once you accept that, it becomes easier. Just be kind, fair, work hard, a treat ppl as you would yourself. That’s what I was taught.. keep moving forward
It would be great if you wrote a book to tell your story.
Thank you for sharing your story. I think the world needs to hear more stories like yours and my own, in which we were heavily involved and within the church, but still left. I resonate with so much of this thread that it’s encouraging, so thank you.
This is what happens when Christ is peddled as just another idol. Another product to "solve" the problems in life. We imbue "Christs" on things, ideas and nothing all the time. Salvation is the paradox of death to all idols and rebirth.
I wasn’t as deep in as you, but I recognized what you have years ago. I decided to live in the world as we know it instead of for one that may or may not exists and I believe I’m a better person for it. There’s many #exvangelical people out there! You are not alone!
I applaud you for your courage in taking this path and for sharing your experiences so widely in a public arena, where you’re likely to get hateful responses. It’s terribly sad that they will, most likely, be from those who have proven you to be correct.
"The road is thin and narrow, if any man draw back. my soul will have no pleasure in him thus says the Lord"
Welcome to real world. I, too, left Christianity for good over 20 yrs ago. I'm free thinker and never stop learning about the world through unfiltered eye.
Welcome to the light. And to the real world, for that matter.
Dave I struggled with many of your same feelings towards the faith. Luckily for me I decided to leave before building an adult life there. I hope you find true happiness and live the best life possible in this next chapter.
I don't believe in church/any religion but one thing i know is that God's way is not the same as humans way. Just when you don't expect miracle then boom, it happens.
It’s amazing to me that a human can open their heart and be this vulnerable and people ignore his words and say, too bad, just keep being miserable, like us. Now his real journey may begin.
You made a wisest decision! Please accept Islam, the religion of God and all. You will definitely find an everlasting peace therein.
Thank you for sharing your story!
You are brave and an inspiration. Stay strong!
Good read. And I'm proud of you for following your soul.
It only took you 40yrs to realise all of this?
It gets better. Its gonna hurt and you'll have ghosts and old conflicts follow you forever but... It gets better.
Leaving the church isn't gonna instantly turn you into a heathen with no morals but you now get to chose which morals and why to follow them. Good luck with growing
It gets better, Dave. I promise. I'm proud of you.
Terrific thread. Honest. Heartfelt. But you spend way too much time apologizing to others.
Took you so long to realize. At least you woke up. Congrats. Now there are billions who will never wake up or realise, even till death, that religion is just a sham. All of them. I've never fell under anointing in my 25 years, the only time I fell, I was pushed. In a church!
Jesus loves you, please always try to remember that. John 3:16
You don't know me, but thank you for being so open about this. As someone who really struggles with Evangelical/Church culture but isn't brave enough to fully walk away, I really admire you for doing this. I hope you can find joy & fulfilment on your new path.
Oh boy!!! Jesus is real! 😖. You should met @PstChrisOnline
Great story. Thank you for sharing.
You should have joined the ZCC. They see God in action on a regular🤷🏿♂️
Too much.
Welcome back to mother nature
Thank you for sharing your story. It’s so tender & vulnerable & real. I see nothing less than a continued attempt at finding love & truth. If the eternal Jesus is real I feel like he would embrace you, not call you an apostate. Not to turn you back around, just to feel his love.
I am also questioning everything after many years of belief. So a lot of this resonates with me. I’m also in Kansas City & there’s a small group of us with similar journeys. We have a little online group if you’d like to join for solidarity/support.
It's true, life is short and meaningless, and your death is the same eternal extinguishment of consciousness as that of an insect.
Thank you.
I support your decision and praise your courage to share your story.
Read the full thread, haven't read any answer. Man, I don't know you but I'm glad you find peacefulness in this. Glad you haven't lost faith in mankind, that you find love. I whish you all the best : love, friendship, happiness and so on. Courage!
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Thank you for sharing your story, Dave. Stay true to yourself.
There is a difference between being a Christian and a Churchian
You are no longer a Churchian.
You will find your way in good time. All will be well.
Look forward to hearing more about your journey. Take care. 👍🙂
Hello dear. How are you doing? I get your hurt but you're completely missing it and don't let this hurt you. You have to know the truth so you can be set free. Christianity isn't a religion but a lifestyle. I was searching the Bible like you but God opened my eyes to the truth💙
Please read this thread
Let me reflect on this first. I will DM you.
@DaveGass3 Did you manage to screenshot this tweets??
@DaveGass3 Imagine I didn't 😪
@DaveGass3 😥😥 he restricted all his tweets 😥
Christianity my friend is a complete walk in the love of God. If this isn't there every other will be religion . Grace was made available, just so that when we experience this things, we know there will be better days ahead.
Thank you for sharing your experiences. I wish you well as you continue to move forward in your journey.
I wish you all the best in your future endeavors. I hope you find the love and life that you deserve. We are all equals on this Earth. God or no God. And I hope the people around you see that and treat you fairly for who you are, and not what you believe.
Welcome, brother. You are not alone. 💙
I hope your next 40 years are filled with love and freedom. Enjoy!
Thank you for your heartfelt thread. There are plenty of people who have no trouble with God, however they see God, but are sick and tired of organized religion. I am more connected to my source during meditation than I ever was in 22 years in the Catholic Church.
this is really good read it
"What if I told you Jesus came to abolish religion?
What if I told you voting Republican really wasn't His mission?
What if I told you Republican doesn't automatically mean Christian
And just because you call some people blind doesn't automatically give you vision?"
read this thread
"I mean, if religion is so great, why has it started so many wars?
Why does it build huge churches but fails to feed the poor?
Tells single moms God doesn't love them if they've ever had a divorce
But in the Old Testament, God actually calls religious people whores"
What a well explained journey out of slavery. I can relate. Luckily I was not professionally involved & my wife was similarly minded regarding escape. I dropped into a hole of material rationalism (Dawkins etc) but via psychedelics, Jung & reading enjoy vibrant spirituality now!
come and see
So your marriage went down the drain too? Your wife didn’t standby you?
I read your thread and in my opinion, you were focused on Religion as against building a relationship with God! Trust me, you will be burnt out fast! I was surprised to read you lasted this long. Remove the box (Religion) & don’t give up on your relationship with God
read this and lemme know Whatcha think.
@DaveGass3 I can't see it...the account is protected
@DaveGass3 Sorry then
@DaveGass3 What's it about?
"Religion might preach grace, but another thing they practice
Tend to ridicule God's people; they did it to John the Baptist
They can't fix their problems, and so they just mask it
Not realizing religion's like spraying perfume on a casket"
Thank you for this.
"See, the problem with religion is it never gets to the core
It's just behavior modification, like a long list of chores
Like, "Let's dress up the outside, make it look nice and neat"
But it's funny that's what they used to do to mummies while the corpse rots underneath"
"Now I ain't judging; I'm just saying, quit putting on a fake look
‘Cause there's a problem if people only know you're a Christian by your Facebook
I mean, in every other aspect of life, you know that logic's unworthy"
Have you read the holy Qur'an before? Read it carefully.
It will give you all the answers of those ur unsolved questions.
Worship Allah alone, your creator. Islam is the actual religion preached by prophets Abraham, Moses, Jesus Christ(peace be upon them all)
"It's like saying you play for the Lakers just because you bought a jersey
See, this was me too, but no one seemed to be on to me
Acting like a church kid while addicted to pornography"
"See, on Sunday I'd go to church, but Saturday getting faded
Acting if I was simply created to just have sex and get wasted
See, I spent my whole life building this facade of neatness
But now that I know Jesus, I boast in my weakness"
As a former believer myself, I know what it is to question everything. But I'd say that now, you have a keener grasp on what you personally need to thrive than ever before. Don't sell that short; it's a hard thing to acquire in the face of divine opposition.
Organized religion is the bane of the world. No one needs a priest to speak with and have a vibrant relationship with God. The Bible was written by men to try and explain things they didn't understand. Same as tribes once believing that thunderstorms were the gods warring.
It was never your calling from the beginning.
Religion is for those with something missing in their lives.
If you feel fulfilled you don't need it
Actually I feel fulfilled because of my faith, but you are free to pass judgements on my life if that is what you wish.
Go well.
Isn't that exactly what I said?
No, I think you said that religion was for people who had something missing in their lives, but if you were fulfilled, you didn't need it - ie if you had fulfilling lives, you wouldn't need faith.
I think that faith is a bit more than inadequate people filling a gap in their lives. But, hey, you're entitled to your own opinion and, ultimately, we all have our own faith or no faith journeys. I wish you well on yours.
Correct. And you said you felt fulfilled because of your faith which is great and appear to underline my point
OK, if I misinterpreted your Tweet, many apologies.
No offence intended in my tweet either. It was just an observation and could still be wrong
I pity some of u listening to dis vouge stories dt never happened
I welcome you to visit India , the land of many gods but nothing is organised and spirituality is not meant to solve earthly occurances.
"Because if grace is water, then the Church should be an ocean
It's not a museum for good people—it's a hospital for the broken
Which means I don't have to hide my failure; I don't have to hide my sin
Because it doesn't depend on me; it depends on Him"
(Please read it all.)
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Now you can be free to think what you want!
"See, because when I was God's enemy and certainly not a fan
He looked down and said, "I want that man."
Which is why Jesus hated religion, and for it He called them fools
Don't you see so much better than just following some rules"
For me it was reading the Bible cover to cover when I was 12 that did it. I was too young to think I had to rationalize what I was reading—I still had an open mind.
I still read Ecclesiastes every year or so. Beautiful prose, and The Ecclesiast shared my cynicism and doubt.
Jesus will come looking for you, He will leave the 99 in search of you, don't abandon Him.He said My sheep hear my voice, we just lived day to day without knowing Jesus,until something happened that changed my life forever..i cannot turn back to the past.
If you read the entire thread, you would've seen that the 99 cast him out.
And that is why Jesus will leave that 99 and go after him...
@Onyenpa @DaveGass3 Oof
For the last 40 years of her life, while working in Calcutta, Mother Theresa lost her faith. Felt that God had abandoned her. You are not alone, sir.
"Now let me clarify—I love the Church, I love the Bible, and yes, I believe in sin
But if Jesus came to your church, would they actually let Him in?
See, remember He was called a glutton and a drunkard by religious men"
"But the Son of God never supports self-righteousness—not now, not then
Now back to the point—one thing is vital to mention
How Jesus and religion are on opposite spectrums"
Being a believer and follower of God does not change the fact that there is still sin and sorrow and suffering in the world. And I am sorry to hear that the congregations you were a part of have became full with so much hate and corruption.
But I feel some of your pain being that it took me finding the correct church to move away from all of the hate. The devil is constantly working to thwart Gods plans. But as a man who has experienced his love and occurrences that can only be explained as Godly
I know that faith lies not within a building or group of people but within yourself and your relationship with the Lord. The church, the songs, the community is only to help spread the word of God. They are important, But taking part in them does not make lifes problems dissapear
Or
It's all nonsense.
Could be🤷🏽♂️..But i would rather have faith in something and turn out to not matter....Then to not and burn for all eternity because it is true. Its what I believe in, its what makes me comfortable. Same way you dont nd thats what makes you comfy.
Which one should you believe just incase though? You can use that exact same argument for any other religion. "Well, I'd better be hindi just incase it's true."
Wrong. Not believing doesn't make me comfortable--it's what is reasonable.
Im not christian just in case. Im christian because that is the only god i truely believe there is. I believe every other religion is false. As far as reasonable im not sure what you mean by that but that is okay.
You just said you think it's better to believe just in case. Why not with other religions?
I mean I'm atheist because it's reasonable to be that until I see evidence. I have yet to see any evidence of any god.
Yeah,it's fine. Believe what you want just let me do what I want also.
Have I tried to stop you from doing it? Do whatever makes you happy. I share my beliefs because hopefully someone will stubble among my comment among the rest and learn about my God. But as i said before. I believe in my God because i feel there is only one.
Okay, cool man. You do you.
as far as other relgions. I feel they are false. Just my two cents. And i have experienced things that I believe are divine intervention. Which is why I believe in God.
If you grew up in another place do you think your religion would be different?
I would assume so. If i grew up in a place and learned something else it would be natural to believe whatever they taught coming up. But I didnt. And through things ive experienced i feel that even if i had known something else i would convert. But idk. I can only speak for me
How do you know those things that happened weren't other gods?
You dont think that's strange that you'd be a different religion under different circumstances? How do you know you have the right one?
Truth be told we wont know until we die🤷🏽♂️ And the fact that I serve a God and I have recieved blessings; Said blessings I assume came from said God. The reason I believe I have the correct one is the things I have experienced in his house and out about in the world
But asking me if its strange my religion would be different because of my up bringing is like asking why my style of clothes or diet would be different. Its what you are raised on. You choose to follow it or find another. I chose to follow it and i have been blessed in it.
The best way you can understand why I feel how I feel would be to read the Bible. There are predictions from so long ago coming true on a daily basis and there are scriptures that have helped me through difficult times.
You are not alone. You are welcome and deserving and loved for being who you are. Thank you for sharing this.
"See, one's the work of God, but one's a man-made invention
See, one is the cure, but the other's the infection
See, because religion says "do"; Jesus says "done" "
I’m a loving, caring, fun human who doesn’t even know the difference between god and Jesus. Maybe we should be friends? thank you for your thread🌟welcome to your second half of life!
"Religion says "slave"; Jesus says "son"
Religion puts you in bondage, while Jesus sets you free
Religion makes you blind, but Jesus makes you see
And that's why religion and Jesus are two different clans"
I pray that God gives you a revelation to know Him..it's not about us, it's all about Him..i have been where you are and not believing in anything..Until He made me understand who He is..God loves you man, more than you will ever know.
The most important part of our Christian life is having a relationship with God. Sometimes we rather become religious and we struggle throughout.
Hmmmm. Matthew 24:12
"Religion is man searching for God; Christianity is God searching for man
Which is why salvation is freely mine, and forgiveness is my own
Not based on my merits, but Jesus' obedience alone"
Takes a lot of courage to stand up and speak out. I respect that. It took a corrupt Priest (ex father-in-law) to make me look hard at my faith. I walked away from it 13 years ago and have not looked back. I am still a spiritual person and have my beliefs, but it’s on my terms.
"Because He took the crown of thorns, and the blood dripped down His face
He took what we all deserved—I guess that's why you call it grace
And while being murdered, He yelled,
"Father, forgive them; they know not what they do." "
Good on you! Evilgelicals have been a source of pain and suffering to their children and a boil on the face of humanity since their conception. It’s VERY encouraging to hear from one that has had a spiritual awakening and ditched the religiosity-keep on keeping on!♥️
"Because when He was dangling on that cross, He was thinking of you
And He absorbed all your sin, and He buried it in the tomb
Which is why I'm kneeling at the cross, saying, "Come on, there's room" "
Everyone has to choose their own path in life and people don't have the right to shout at you over it. There are a lot of churches out there that don't do anything for people quite frankly...I personally believe in God, not in a church, I haven't gone to church in ages....
and don't necessarily agree w/much that goes on in modern organized religion. God and the church are two separate things in my mind. Like I said, everyone has their own path to follow in this life. Peace and thank you for sharing your story.
"So for religion—no, I hate it; in fact I literally resent it
Because when Jesus said, "It is finished," I believe He meant it."
Jesus loves you constantly. I'm praying for you to be saturated in the unconditional love of Christ as you go through life.
So sorry about what you have experienced. Leaving is not the solution here, reading through what the old faith has experienced, it might just be a little more time for you to get there. I pray you retrace your step back in Jesus name. Amen. #Jesuscares
While an Atheist myself, was raised Catholic for 18 years, I won't offer prayers, but more so hope that you will find some semblance of peace in these trying times.
With ya bro.
What a remarkable thread. Without interjecting my own story into yours I’ll simply say that I have “allowed myself” to enjoy the songs, traditions, and sense of community from many faiths - including your prior one - as a sense of comfort and soulfulness :)
Thanks for sharing. Be happy you found how to live, love, and embrace humanity without some man made user guide. Although religion is helpful to some, it seems it does more to divide, discriminate, and destroy.
Thanks for your story.
There's more than enough lies & negativity everywhere, but there's always room for honestly and love.
Thanks for sharing your story, Dave. I never became a devout Christian, but came to the same realization that you did after years of trying. I did everything I could to try and convince myself that the church was good and that God is there. (1)
But all I saw was my friends who were hurting and going through so much pain being fed the same useless aphorisms of, “Give it time,” and “It’s all part of God’s plan”, only for nothing to change. Nothing would get better. Their pain would linger and twist them and further (2)
Their dependence on this system that wasn’t helping them.
I can’t blame my youth pastors, they were amazing people and they did what they could to help, but they didn’t have the answers. It was all just comforting words and skirting around the fact that they didn’t actually (3)
Have any idea how to help.
And the people in the comments telling you that you didn’t ‘believe right’, after forty years of service to something, only further prove your point of what a toxic environment church can become, and how round-about its ideologies can be. (4)
When God doesn’t perform miracles, when cancer still prevails, and addiction still gets the better of people, then he acts through people, not through miracles.
But when people fail you. When the church fails you. Oh, then God doesn’t work through people. Then it’s the Holy (5)
Spirit taking residence in you that’s the way he goes about saving you, and you just don’t believe in him enough to have had that happen.
Around, and around they go, desperately trying to fill in the plot-holes of their own narrative. (6)
Jesus wants you to say goodbye to religion. That's why you're worn out. You've been depending on your own strength. It's time to stop. It's time to come to Jesus. No more pretence. No more caring about what people may say. Now it's time to embrace the Holy Spirit. He loves you💙
Welcome to the world, dear heart. Your story has notes of my own ringing along within it and I can sense the deep pain you’ve felt for so long. I hope this is the beginning of a time of restorative healing and discovery for you.
I admire your courage in making this thread, Dave!
You're a very brave man. Thank you for sharing your story. I think you future will be brighter because your life won't be based on self-delusion and lies.
All the writings I sent are by "Jefferson Bethke." Just so everyone knows that it isn't my write up. But God has used so many things to open my eyes. I want to tell you the truth. It hurts but you need to accept it because it will help you in life.
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Did the same thing. When ur cured of the Kool aid... it's quite freeing. All the anger, divisiveness, control, & corruption in the churches have no place in society. I've never met a humanist who wasn't a 100x better person than professed christians, Buddhists, Jews or muslims.
You practised religion not Christianity. Christ in you. You can always find your way back through submission to the holy spirit and he will guide you..
From the looks of this thread, it sounds like you finally found your tribe. Welcome.
My story is shorter - 18 years immersed, and then I started seeing patterns in all religions. Which led to friendships across the globe.
My advice: Go to India. Now. Be you. Love.
It's ok. You will survive. Check out a Facebook group called exvangelical it's a great group.
Look up to Christ, not man or church.
I’ve always thought that having a faith and maintaining a faith had to involve a certain amount of fakery. Stephen Fry sums it up perfectly....
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I think you a very brave and authentic person seeking truth. I believe that’s what drew you to Christianity. Granted from your story things didn’t add up and the most important thing I want you to grasp is that ITS OKAY!
Everyone thinks they know what’s going on. But only God truly understands us. I think you are an individual seeking authenticity and peace. For me I find that in God not Church. You have taken the step towards truth if you ever need someone to talk to I am here.
Interesting
I heard everything you said.
Sounds like you need a one on one with God. Away from everyone and everything.... however long it takes to box with Him.
Wishing the best for you
I do believe organized religion is a sham.
I want to say i understand and i stand with you and others. I wasn't a servant of the church i also wasn't one of the die hards. I had to many questions and saw to much of the power hungry. I believe in God and i try to be a good human and steward of the earth.
Good luck be strong it's okay. Welcome.
Congratulations on taking your life back, your REAL life!! ❤️ You will be OK, everything now is real, not made up.
Dear Dave I'm not more holy than you Er or a better xtian than you but am almost moved to tears reading your write up bcos there are millions like u going thru same things but never going out for answers. All I mean to ask u is have you been baptized by the Holy Spirit since
Hang in there Dave! You can still be a Christian if you want - you just dumped the theater of organized evangelicalism. There’s other ✝️ options out there if you want.
Or don’t! Many secular opportunities for those who care about others. Good luck! 👍🏻
You are brave
Rebirth it is. You have discovered yourself. All is not lost. You did it with lots of love and free. No regrets. Free yourself, find the Dave in you.
Jesus wants a relationship with you and not religion. He wants you to know Him for yourself. Stop all the pretence and just come to Him as you are. You'll never remain the same. He loves you deeply more than anyone else. Without Him there's no love. You can't find it anywherelse
Please read my retweet and yesterday’s tweet - I relate to you 💯. Former, died in the wool southern missionary Baptist ... You’re not alone.
You need redemption and saving Grace. That is all!
Rite On!!!! ??????
Good luck in your journey!
When I was younger I moved from church to church, seeking the right one. I saw the things you've described in every one of them. There is a reason those in service industries, like food, dread Sundays. That is because of the church crowd. Rude, spiteful, and cheap.
Thank you for sharing and being so brave. Sending all the love 💜
Hopefully you will now find yourself good luck and be happy
You believed. It is the spirit that makes it all come together. Without him all our works are in the flesh making them irrelevant and a grasping after the wind.
I empathize with you Dave. In the end, religion falls short - the church, the congregants, the various modes of theology; they/we all fall short of perfect love. That’s why Jesus stands alone. Stay strong 💪
read this
I have read it and it doesn't make sense
I understand where he's coming from. I guess he expected so much from 'christians' that when they failed him as human beings over and over again, he lost hope. You can only look up to God and not man. Man will always fail, but God doesn't disappoint.
That's true and from the thread I don't think he had a spiritual connection with God.
He may have had it initially but lost it along the way. 40 years is a long time.
Welcome to atheism. We're a pretty nice bunch. Hugs.
I looked through his story, I didn't see baptism of the holy Spirit any where. People trying to use human knowledge for spiritual assignment.
I didn't even see Jesus too. I don't understand this guy . To think He said He was a pastor is even more sad.
Jesus is included when he talks about his past beliefs. I don't even know what you're trying to say with this. He was christian--of course he believed in Jesus once upon a time.
Whatever that means. He was a pastor. What do you think that means? You think he wasn't baptized?
Religion and God are separate matters. Religion is created by man and so has sooooo many faults. If you have decided to be an atheist and are happy, bless you. But perhaps God is without religion. Idk what s/he is, but I believe it to be so.
congratulations on waking up
What's your cash app? I'ma send you something to help you out.
Your profile photo with your baby made my day.
Thank you for sharing your story.
I quietly left my presbyterian christian church last year and I'm following on a different spiritual path.
I am going back and forth of confessing to my family that I don't feel a connection with my community and my religion anymore. Once that time comes I hope they would understand.
From Nairobi , Kenya. I feel you. I've walked the same journey , I've gone through so much pain in my life, lost both my parents,my son,my two brothers one of whom committed suicide . At times I've wanted to give up but today you've given me something to live for. Thanks
Welcome, it’s a long road to recovery. Don’t drink too much, get counseling, make new friends. Welcome to society & the good life. 👏👏
You are absolutely right in your thoughts and feelings Dave. Heather and I left the church and faith over a a year ago after more than 20 years of ministry and service and at least a decade of fighting our problems with the church. We are now more fulfilled and happy as
Atheist than we ever were as Christians. We love each other and others because we want to love, not because some god told that we better “or else.” You are free from the bondage of religion. DM either of us if you want to talk or if you need anything. Welcome to reality Dave.
Hi Dave, I know you made up your mind but please hold on. It is only over when you take your last breathe Do not make any rash decision.
I suffered terrible depression for over 6 months. But I kept still and choose not to be bitter. The somehow God came through for me.
I have a very similar story and my DMs are open if you ever need a sounding board. I'm also a part of an atheist community that's a lot of apostates (we're pretty chill and not edgy, no trillbys) if you're looking for your people
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Hmmm I rest my case bro.
Thank you for telling your story so well, so thoughtfully, and in such detail. You’re right that you and those of us like you spent time gaslighting ourselves. I’m lucky that I didn’t devote as much of my life to it as you did, but I’m still haunted by it 20 years later.
Sending you love and strength while you finding your new place in the world.
Welcome to the other side.
Welcome to the other side! I left the Catholic Church as soon as I turned 18, explored a bit and came to the realization that we are all there is and I'd better make this life as good as possible. Religion is mythology.
What an incredible journey of self reflection. Thanks for sharing. Best of luck to you!
You actually articulated what one of my friends is going through
You are not alone on your journey. Others have been where you are and flourished. Congratulations and take heart
Welcome to the light.
We are here for you. It's hard. Many of us have lost a lot- family, friends, relationships, jobs, homes, etc. When someone walks out of the fray, it always reminds me to be kind and humble. It's a hard road, and a rocky one at first, but it gets better. Love to you, friend.
Now that deserves an amen brother. Glad you got away from the lies.
I don't know you, but #AboutTime I was never devout nor did I ever consider myself a xstian, my story is different from, after being in a car acident, parents of a friend invited me to church, I went for a while &' after seeing first hand the ignorance of some , I stopped going.
The painful truth is listed very eloquently in your tweets - I wish you the best as you wrestle through life, living it real - I couldn’t make sense of it at bible school when I was 5 and still can’t
You said the “seed of DOUBT” never went away. That was why you never got the real experience. The human mind will never be able to comprehend the fullness and existence of God. That doubt you started with is the problem. James says anyone who doubts should expect nothing.
When it comes to the scriptures not what any man says - God’s own Word, please note that doubt will make it render it unprofitable for you. This is faith defined: “BE IT TO ME ACCORDING TO THY WORD”, that’s what Mary replied after the angel told her she’ll birth the savior.
Sorry, I'm going to go with logic and proof over unsubstantiated claims every time. Doubts help us determine what's real and what isn't.
And yet, nowhere in the scriptures does it say our life is going to be easy, that all prayers will be answered and every answer will present itself. Somewhere along the way, it sounds like you got some bad theology. I hope you'll find what you're looking for along the way.
My heart goes out to you. I wish you well on your next journey of Spiritual Awakening. The love of God found me outside the confines of the Church. I saw so much abuse in Church, that I left because it was not the Love that I knew God had for me.
I really wish you Love.
Couldn't help but notice the word 'I' being used again and again and not once did you mention the Holy Spirit. I get the impression you never had a personal encounter with God; a conviction so strong that the storms of life can't break. I pray that you find peace with God.
We should talk: Im both a #RecoveringCatholic & ‘Born Again’🤪
Glad to have you here in the real world Dave. I was lucky, grew up in a household with no god, where we were taught to take each day as it comes and treat everyone with respect and love and do your best. No power games, where we are each fully responsible for our own actions.
This is a powerful confession.
Congratulations! You sound like a man of great integrity.
Hi! Hope you’re not having as much trouble as it sounds like, and if you are, hope you’re coping well
Thank you for the truth.
I am going to tag some people who I believe may reach out. @JoyceMeyer @JoelOsteen @MaxLucado @TDJakesShow @stevenfurtick @Benny_Hinn @CopelandNetwork @Paula_White @Jentezen We serve a God who leaves the 99 to look for 1. Please reach out to @DaveGass3
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Once you step out of the forest, you can see the trees.
Raised RC, couldn't take the institutional bullshit at 40.
Realized those shouting about how devout they were, were the least Christian of all.
Said, "fuck it". Be nice, be fair, help out - is my new religion.👍
For those that have been hurt by church , church leaders and church people , we are sorry !
We are not as perfect , as we claim !
Please don’t allow us come in between you and God !
This thing na individual race. Institutionalizing it will never work.
Boom!
I found that it took me almost ten years to truly calm down and rebuild my life. But... it does happen. Things do get better.
I hope you can build the life you want too!
~ If you were a pastor, then you would know there is no such thing as an #exChristian! once we place genuine faith in #Jesus, we are bought and paid for by His blood, and sealed for eternity with the Holy Spirit! #exvangelical
A very important question: don't do you have the right Spiritual leader??? Who mentored you?? And why didn't you experience what they experienced?? But then again not every leader have the ability of producing true sons, they can be all about preaching and never teaching...
I commend your bravery. I too was raised in church, and the only thing I got out of it was boredom and judgement. There should have been a sign outside my church reading: “your clothing must cost at least this much $$ to receive salvation.”
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Thank you for sharing your story. My mom taught college philosophy at a seminary and the students would question studying mythology bc it wasn’t “real” religion. My mom pointed out that it was as real to Greeks and Romans as the Bible is to Christians. It sowed my doubt too.
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, what a wow. Bona hle.
I’m sorry that you’ve had all those shitty experiences because of the religion, and I’m sincerely happy to hear that you’ve shed it. Best of luck to you, it’s a hard decision to make but it pays off.
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There must be strong reasons for the drastic decision.
Being an “evangelical” & being a Christian are 2 very different things. Look for God inside yourself & let him guide you. Don’t place an inordinate amount of importance on badly edited, mistranslated & misunderstood Bibles.
1) The notion that you never really were a Christian is a weak one. I’m currently in a similar boat as you. I believe in Christ’s teachings but I think modern Christianity is a cult. I have many questions that no other believers could or would answer. I had a
...mental and emotional breakdown due to being at odds with how I felt and how my church wanted me to feel. Eventually I realized the problem wasn’t God but the people that preach him. I don’t think Yeshua would even recognize this modern church.
3) I feel like Christians today live in an unrealistic fantasy. They use scripture like they are magic spells. Waive your hand and say scripture , watch your life change. It doesn’t work that way. Not at all. Life is and always will be a struggle.
4) like why do the church call Him Jesus? Not His name by any stretch. Why does he church celebrate pagan Easter? It should be Passover. Christmas is also pagan. But with Easter it’s also the biggest day of the year for tithes and offerings.
5) I worked for my church almost 13 years and eventually had to walk away for many of the same reasons as you. But I could not walk away from God. I thought I might but I have found balance and purpose in scripture. It keeps me grounded.
6) plus science can’t and won’t explain everything. That said, I’m sorry you had to go through this. I’d say, Give God another try. Leave behind what you’ve been taught and find out who God is for yourself. Read the scripture as you also study church history.
6) it’s what I’m doing. I have a lot more to share but who knows if you even see this let alone respond to it. Lol.
the religious ppl in the comments are killing me. Welcome to the other side.
Those who truly seek the truth, will eventually come to the path you found. It's an exiting universe we live in too much to explore and learn I am sure your new life will be more fruitful and have more reverence to your life and our universe.
I've been an atheist my whole life, however, I can understand your situation and I deeply admire you. What you did, deserves credit.
1. I’m really sorry to hear this Dave. You seem to have done it all and covered nearly all the bases but it still hasn’t worked for you the way you imagined it should. If only our ways and limited wisdom could provide all the answers... I will not for a second pretend I have the
2. answer to your predicament. But even though you have taken this step, however messy it was, just take a moment against to consider. Most of all that you have described has actually happened to people in the Bible itself, Jesus being one of them.
3. Now if it happened to him, how could it not happen to you? Bear in mind that he died on a cross. Luckily, you haven’t. Not yet at least. There’s a point where faith and logic depart and knowing that point is crucial. You can’t run everything through the logic lens, which seems
4. to be what you are attempting to do. Church is full of broken people. As a pastor for several years that is one thing you can’t have missed. Jesus came not for the righteous but sinners. That’s in the Bible for a reason. And if the church is full of broken people
5. What else could you expect, dear brother? Like I said, I don’t know the entire story so I can’t attempt to give you answers. What’s I’m sure about though is that no one said it will be easy. In fact the Bible categorically states that it will be tough for those trying to lead
6. a righteous life (2Tim 3:12). The Psalmist has the same challenges and he also found a solution. Read Psalm 73 again. It’s the exact story you have just described. And the solution is also in the same passage.
7. You will also not be the first to turn away from the church. Paul lamented of Demas whom for the love of TIS age has forsaken the faith. Think of Paul himself the many things he suffered. He has more right than anyone alive to say the “religious system “ doesn’t work but
8. But he rather tells us, “ this one thing I do.. “ he says, “ that I may know him...” . I have been in this faith for 23+ and it is the most fulfilling thing in my life and I can’t imagine not having this: a personal fellowship with God Himself. The Church is
9. Just a place to fellowship and draw support from other believers, if it is a growing church that has its doctrine and practices in order. But the real walk is between you and God. I’m really sorry you got messed up by the wrong kind of church people
10. But it is not the end of the world. Beware of Solomon in his old age when he wrote Ecclesiastic. He let his heart go free and had no constraints. He his reflections in his old age were quite sombering.
Take the time to reconsider. It may be one small thing you need to change
11. It may be one major change you need to make. It may just the way it is supposed to turn out so that the trying of your faith and your endurance could be the guiding light for those who must see Christ through you.
Brother, not all of us are faking it. For some of us, it is
12. working. I am happy to have a chat with you if you want to engage further.
I’m truly sorry about your losses and all the has seemingly gone down the drain. The testing of your faith is to prove produced steadfastness. And let steadfastness have its full effect, that you may
13. be perfect and complete, lacking nothing (James 1:2-4,ESV)
I will be happy to chat with you in DM if that is ok with you.
God loves you & you mean a lot to Him. Don’t let “these light afflictions”(2 Cor 4:17-18) separate you from the love of God (Rom 8:31-39). Please DM me
The Bible says: "my people perish for lack of knowledge", and Christ promises "that ye shall know the Truth and the Truth shall set you free."
Without you seeking the truth, everything is a farce and mere bondage. How can one believe what he doesn't trust in?
Welcome! Go easy on yourself, it takes a long time to untangle & this is just the start. It's taken me 20 years. Give yourself time. All the best to you!
Like you, l grew up in a hyper-fundamentalist family. I went on to do a Bachelor’s in Theology, then a Masters in Religion. I’m 42 now, and I’m in the process of deconstructing and reconstructing my life. I relate to so much of what you wrote here!
pls keep this thread. there's this bible study group that i attend. im about to set it on fire. im part of several ministries myself and lead some community programs. id love to know more as some of our experiences overlap. book? blog?
I really hope you mean "set it on fire." figuratively.
no one will know
Welcome. You will be fine - even better actually. Now you are HERE. 😀
Welcome to the dark side, of except we don’t need some fear from an angry vengeful god to do right in the world
Thank you for this. Peace, love, & joy to you. Ironically, — from a genuine desire to send gratitude, praise and encouragement your way during this surely very difficult time— my first inclination is to offer prayer for you. 😆
Amazingly strong of you, i wish you a much more relaxing and satisfying future!! 💞
This man describes much that I've encountered at @unityfortworth fwiw.
All I ask for you now is that every soul you have won for Christ in the 40 years that you laboured will come through for you now. For their sake, you will find the peace you yearn for...none will be lost 🚶♀️ ❤️
I'm so happy and proud to read this thread. Not because you have so much pain, but because of your bravery to leave in spite of it.
Like most people from young I was raised to believe in God, but from as early as age 10 I rejected it - I saw what religion does to good people
As a firm atheist from a young age (thankfully did not have a fundamentalist family which helps) I lost some comforts in lies told by the church, such as guaranteed afterlife.
But in return we see the world for what it is, & the love & beauty is real when encountered.
Great thread and story, I already know your life will be truer and freer than it ever was before. Good for you. You can regret many things in life but I know you'll never regret this.
Thank you for sharing your story.
a fucking thread.
Thank you for sharing.
I love your honesty and vulnerability. I’m graduating with a ministry degree that I will never use. I relate to your story and I can’t think you enough for sharing
To me this is more than just a church. The power of books. Interesting
The gospel Is no myth. The gospel holds true to this day. How that Christ died, he was buried and he resurrected. Belief in these facts saves a man forever. Every man.
Our experiences don't define the word. Only God's word does.
We will keep praying for you brother.
Welcome back to being human 😂
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Read the whole thread yesterday. Really amazing.
I’m very sorry to hear that you don’t believe in Jesus anymore but I can assure you that He still believes in you.
I walked away from Catholicism long ago. The score keeping, the teaching of "it is as much a sin to think of breaking a commandment as to actually do it", the constant harping on money was too much for me. A group of people suggested i find the God within-
Truth inevitably leads to freedom. May you enjoy your new found freedom with no regrets, nor apologies. May you keep experiencing genuine and unconditional love. Such beautiful truths you've shared. Thank you💐♥
People's comment on this thread has been awesome at least to a large extent, but wait till #nigerians invade. You will know some people are ready to die being stupid bcos of #religion. Am so happy for you @DaveGass3
You are not alone Dave... There loads of Christians who feel the same way...
May you shine the compassion you have for others on yourself, and walk in faith, if not faith in G-d, then faith in yourself, that you will find a new and authentic place for yourself.
I grew up in the Catholic Church. I have to agree with most if what your saying. I have no use for Church. But for me at least what I believe is God is there for me. I do get comfort from chatting with God this may be only an illusion but I'm ok with that
I'm so happy for you! Love is real.
Dave, bravo!
Though I didn’t grow up in the church, much of my story parallels you. Perhaps the only reason I have not made the very understandable decision you have made is because I actually did find some loving people in the Body of Christ.
But the rest sounds legit.
My own deconversion was much more sudden, but I can still relate. I found the truth that there is no god, and that is the truth that set me free.
I read through this and did not see any evidence or statement that depicts you had a personal relationship with Jesus. Trials and tribulations will come, but nothing shld separate you from the love of God. Your service in church shld be built based on your love for God.
It sounds like fundamentalism drove you away. I’m sorry that happened. I found God again outside of church on my own terms before I came back. Either way, no matter what you profess you’re a lovable and worthy person.
To me, there's the world. Its in front of your damn eyes. Open them wide. See everything, the crap, the good, the stupidity. See it in yourself. Go for power and do the best you can with it. Happines? Love? Overrated. You can trade power for anything, but not the other way around
you know what to do
Dave, I've seen you say you'll DM people your VenMo. Please do not feel shy or ashamed about just putting a link in a tweet. There is value in your words and your work (and what you are doing now is work), and besides, charity should not be seen as shameful.
It's not charity IMHO. It's voluntary payment for work done.
@DaveGass3 But even if it is charity, that's fine.
@DaveGass3 Why would anyone Venmo him money?
@DaveGass3 To help him out. Y'know, charity.
I could think of hundreds of other people more deserving of charity
No one asked you to think. You're shitty at it.
Was that supposed to be funny? Because it wasn’t.
Only someone who thinks they're the arbiter of who deserves charity would think I was trying to be funny.
Yea, that's automatically limiting the donor pool, excluding those who'd give anonymously.
It is not a massive bomb drop, no, you have given up on your self
Seems to me you’re trying to find a solution to your problems.
Jesus, even as God went through all forms of temptations and trials. But even when faced with death, He never lost focus on His mission-to die so that man can live. You may think you lost everything but, I can assure you that you never can lose out on God.
Dear Dave,
I don’t usually respond to Twitter threads, but I was just reading Ephesians, and was then compelled to go on Twitter. This seemed unusual to me until I saw your post and I knew immediately it was the Holy Spirit. You say that in 40 years you never witnessed the
Supernatural but remember that Jesus outright refused signs to the Jews because of their lack of faith. Matthew 12:39 Nowhere in Scripture does God promise an end to our earthly suffering while here, but does say that he who endures to the end will be saved Matthew 24:13.
You speak of people desperate for the system to work for them but remember: “For by grace you have been saved through faith, and that not of yourselves, it is the gift of God, not as a result of works, so that no one may boast.” Ephesians 2:8-9
Sadly many Christians are being led astray by this “prosperity doctrine” that is not supported by Scripture. Our reward is in Heaven. Brother, I understand your suffering and I have suffered much the same, but I implore you not to abandon your faith on the finish line.
Remember that our Lord and Savior, the divine Son of God willingly suffered, was tortured, mocked, was crucified and died for our sins. So with that I’ll leave you with 1 Peter 5:10 “And the God of all grace, who called you to His eternal glory in Christ, after you have
suffered a little while, will Himself restore you and make you strong, firm, and steadfast.” Also don’t forget, there is no other name under Heaven by which we will be saved. I’d be happy to chat sometime if you need. God bless.
One funny thing is the Caucasians who supposedly introduced to us (africans) the religion are all for the guy's decision and only the africans are against it ... lol .. the irony of it all
Evangelical pastor. Tells you everything you need to know. You weren’t following Christianity in the first place. These people are imposters
Hi Dave. It's sad how you, like many others, were exposed to the wrong form of Christianity. One logical conclusion a person who is subject to that form of Christianity will arrive at is what you have arrived at. I feel you.
May you find your way.
What can I say??
Thank you for sharing this thread. I identify with a lot of it.
But to let you know, there exists a Christianity that is different from the false doctrines you were exposed to all these years. Sadly, that true form of Christianity and its docttines is not popular and not many people know it.
Let me recommend you read Emmanuel Swedenborg
I can't imagine that you served God the way u described and still found Him not faithful or committed to His promises. So many heroes of faith in Heb. 11 hoped for a reward and until their death, never received. Yet, some, despite their brokeness, never quit.
Wow. So powerful, wonderful, and honest. Much love to you.
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You can still return to Almighty God cos only He has answers to your questions. I wish you well.
best of luck on the road you travel
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There is exists something called Reasonable Faith. Yes, faith that is with reason.
I will recommend you get some Emmanuel Swedenborg literature and read. A polymath and world renowned scientist.
you are not bad, you are not wrong. You are now part of the fastest growing community in the world vis-a-vis religious thought. YOU ARE NOT ALONE. And please DM me your Venmo info. I'd like to help in some small way if i can.
Reading this thread, I thought you had found our Saviour to be a fraud, his character flawed, his word false and his testimony a phony but none of that, your problems are with the religion and people who practice it, have you ever considered that perhaps you were never a believer
You have been through and are still experiencing one of the most protracted and painful psychological and emotional things a human being endures. I sympathize and identify with so much of this. I hope you can now find peace and a new way of being and doing. Be well, friend.
Left my faith some years back. Realized 1st I didn’t believe in the institutions. Once just me and god, I didn’t believe in them either. That can feel scary, but I also realized there was still a lot left to believe in. Love, truth, kindness, good, discovery, wonder, myself, etc
I’ll also say. If you miss that personal connection to a god and it calls to you, then skip the institutions and enjoy what works for you. I begrudge no one their faith if it makes them happier and a better person and not imposed on me. Find your own path and enjoy it well.
I did a similar thing 2 years ago, enjoy your freedom Dave.
Brian Cox on the Joe Rogan podcast
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Jordan Peterson’s lectures on the breakdown of Christianity’s hero myths may be of value to you even is you disagree with his other ideas
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this seems alot like trying to sway people
i dont think you understand how greece fits in
"the fear of god is the beginning of wisdom"
check put florence scovel
"game of life and how to play it"
jobs god vs your god
the kingdom of god is in each man.
i think $$$$$$ got in the way try praying and asking for a sign
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It does not matter what you believe in as long as it guides you to being a good person!
I can identify with your struggles with the church. What I “heard” in your post is what I learned from Jesus’ teachings (regardless if he is a deity or not) - LOVE and ACCEPTANCE of others no matter who they are. Peace my fellow earth traveler.
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My heart goes out to you, friend. I went through something similar, though my stakes weren't nearly as high. Hang in there and please reach out if you ever want to talk to an internet random.
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I'm a devout Christian and I support you. The institution of Christianity and the way churches function is fundamentally broken in many ways. It is a positive thing to walk away from for many people.
My heart goes out to you. I hope you are able to find peace and wholeness in the next phase of your life.
Best wishes to you, and congratulations. Since I quit “believing in belief” (Daniel Dennett, “Breaking the Spell”), I found that the deepest, most meaningful relationships have been the ones I have met who aren’t believers. I’ve been a much better person.
I think maybe you’re just getting started. I think your courage is awesome and will be rewarded. You have lost a fake church but gained a genuine spirit.
You should research into Islam. You'd find out it's rational and not blind faith as you were told growing up
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Mirza Ghulam isn't a Prophet
There have always been people claiming that about every prophet that has past in the history of mankind. You aren't the first and not the last. Do your research before making assumptions
I believe prophet Mohammed when he said that there's no prophet after him
He also called the Messiah, Imam Mahdi a prophet 4 times in the Muslim hadith. Aisha (ra) also said that do say Muhammad (sa) is khatamun nabiyeen but don't say no prophet would come after him
Clearly you need to educate yourself
The messiah is Jesus son of Mary, not mirza
So is Prophet Muhammad a liar when he said "there's no prophet after me"?
Hello??
No, he was not a liar. Here's the answer to your question
ahmadianswers.com/prophethood/al…
That's a cop out, Mohammed pbuh couldn't be more clear that no prophet will come after him.
You yourself believe Jesus would come back and guess what, he is a prophet 😂 Quran says he's a prophet towards Israel. You gonna scrub it off, when he comes back?
It's like the doctor tells you to not eat rice. But you go home and say you can eat old rice but not new one 😂
He's a prophet before Mohammed, not a new prophet like your false Prophet Mirza.
You believe he'd come after Muhammad (sa). Get your own beliefs right
Here educate yourself about khatamun nabiyeen first
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Many verses show it
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Why are there are no prophecies of Mirza in the Quran or the hadith? While the bible is full of prophecies of Mohammed pbuh.
There are many prophecies of the Messiah in the Quran and ahadith that have fulfilled magnificently! Please read through these
Here are the prophecies fulfilled about Ahmad (as)
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His truthfulness from Quran & ahadith
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There's not a single prophecy of Mirza in the Quran or Hadith, don't twist the Quran and hadith to fit your narrative. Just because your Family told you that he's a prophet, it doesn't make it true. MANY prophecy of Mohammed in Bible, but not a single one for Mirza in Quran
Clearly you didn't read it. You haven't read any of his books either. You are the one believing others without any research. You'd be answerable for it.
Look at the state of muslims. Messiah is needed but he's not here as promised? He was to come in the14th century. It has past
You can't mention a single Prophecy about Mirza in Quran? I don't think so. On the other hand, the bible is full of prophecies of Mohammed because he's a true Prophet
I did but you didn't bother reading. No point talking if you have already made up your mind and blindly keep making accusations based on your ignorance and lack of research
That's a cop out, it doesn't mention anything of Mirza. I can mention prophecies of Mohammed in bible, I don't have to send papers explaining it they are clear. You're the one opposing the prophet when he said "There's no Prophet After me" isn't that clear?It's not rocket science
"Hemdat" or "حمدت"(name of Mohammed) is mentioned in hebrew, and God says that this person will come for all nations just Like Mohammed came for all nations according to the Quran! Who is one whose name is Ahmed (احمد) and Mohammed (محمد)and came for all Nations after Jesus?
Here I mentioned a clear prophecy of Mohammed pbuh in bible, now produce a single prophecy about Mirza in Quran. Can you?
It's clear from both Quran and ahadith that subordinate prophets can still come under Muhammad (sa) with no new law other than Quran. You yourself believe it. You need to sort it out brother
That's false, no new prophets after Mohammed pbuh, why didn't the Quran prophecy A new prophet like the bible is full of prophecies of Mohammed pbuh?
Where does it say old prophets can still come but not new ones?
According to Quran Jesus (as) died from 30 verses. So no question of Jesus coming back. Quran, Ahadith, sahaba and many scholars agree too. Have a look
ahmadianswers.com/jesus/
@DaveGass3 Islam is as much a fairytale as christianity ! Is muhammad not the last messiah mentioned in the bible ?
@DaveGass3 You making a claim about something that you have no knowledge about? Islam is no fairy tale but a rational religion. Yes there are prophecies of Muhammad (sa) mentioned in the Bible. He brought a new and final law Quran. There are also prophecies of the Messiah to come back again
@DaveGass3 I'm not making any claim, Islam was formed from the assumption of the last prophet mentioned in the bible. As far as I'm concerned Islam is a religion of the Arabs.
@DaveGass3 Are you claiming to be an expert in Islam? Stop making assumptions and educate yourself please with some real research
Not being a smart ass but why do multiple people request a thread unroll?
I hope you find peace
It is impossible for me to believe that everything just "happened" here in this corner of the universe, and I come from a solid Jesus background; but increasingly church, christianity, and organized religion is justt not working for me. trumpist christianity was a big eye-opener.
This is very brave and very honest. Midway through, you reminded me of this similarly beautiful expression of loss and liberation. Thank you.
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I'm sorry your experience with Christianity was so toxic.
If you ever come to the point where you can benefit, there are many denominations that would welcome you with open arms.
So happy for you
Whatever you do, don't do without Jesus
Times like these I wish I could send literal hugs through the internet.
I applaud for your courage to be honest with yourself. Many unbelievers are walking around deeply immersed in religion but are afraid to look within. I share many of your past experiences, but for me, it's led me to peel away the junk and mover me deeper into my faith.
This took a lot of bravery. Thank you for sharing your story.
May you find true happiness where ever you go but the Jesus I know will never give up on you even when you do give on Him.
For all you care, He could be waiting for this moment when you come to the end of yourself. Happy liberation.
Christianity is incompatible with science. The original sin, right at the beginning of the Bible, was eating fruit from the tree of KNOWLEDGE. If you seek knowledge, rather than blindly accept what they tell you, youre out. There is a reason that is at the beginning.
Good for you. Breaking those social circle pressures as well as professional and cultural expectations put on you is very difficult to do. Good luck in the future.
I was an agnostic for decades but became a full-blown atheist on Nov. 9, 2016.
Why did it take so long to take action?
Your loss my brother....
welcome to the rest of your life ❤️
This thread is amazing & heartbreaking. Sending love & support to you & those who are hurting w you in this❤️💕
I know you can find what you seek. Please don’t give up trying. If I can find it then anyone can
Lots of love to you, courageous one. Your life will blossom again in your new soil. In ways you can barely imagine now. Living an authentic life is richly rewarding. Not easy. But so worth it. Welcome home.
I'm sorry to hear this brother and it also saddens me you're walking away from the faith. You should know that this is ministry. They is what we have signed up for. Not everything you expressed, but for the most. Did you see what Paul had to go through?
Props to you for sharing your story. Hope things get better.
I feel you. That doubt is real, the only thing really eternal for me. I’ll never not be a Pentecostal, which I consider another trauma. Be strong.
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Christianity is beyond religion.
He who puts his hand on the plough.....???
If you really had a revelational encounter, perhaps you would have unraveled the puzzles you tried to comprehend.
I would still call myself a Christian (most days), but I’m grateful that you got out. I genuinely mean it. This whole fear thing in the church is exhausting. You should feel no shame. Be free and healthy. If God is real, they will find you outside of the church too.
Thank you for sharing your story. I appreciate it. You are courageous, and filled with integrity. Hoping for some amazing things for you!
The part where he says he was abused by the congregation 😥
Are you familiar with Christopher Hitchens and Richard Dawkins? They will be able to affirm your faith in humanism and reason. Welcome aboard.
You are the kind of person who allows me to continue to respect people with sincere religious conviction despite my lack of any. But can you really call it walking away when it was never there for you in the first place?
This is the bravest thing I'll read all week. I wish more people would be as honest with themselves as you have been. Things will get better!!
May the Truly living God reveal Himself to you my brother. As a Christian I wish you well and despite all the abuse you've cited . God is love and He loves you.
Please know that you are extremely valid and valued. As just one tweet among a crowd, please know that your struggles are not simply reducable to not having enough faith or being good enough. I really hope this transition can be as smooth as possible for you
I’ve studied Christianity, Hinduism, Islam, Buddhism, Judaism, Wicca, Subud of Latihan, & Native American beliefs. The parables and core tenants are all the same. Be kind and loving. Follow a humane moral code. Basically, the 10 commandments. I’m happier now. I hope you will be 2
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And the first comment on the thread is a guy telling you that you're wrong. I'm sorry that you have to suffer the blind trying to lead those who were gifted with clear sight.
Nobody cares: A thread
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Even as an athiest, I'm sorry that religion wasn't a comfort and a help to you as it could or should have been.
I hope that your new freedoms take you to the happiest and kindest corners of humanity and brings your life some measure of wonder.
As someone who also walked away from faith but did not suffer as devastating of consquences as you, I wish you peace in resolution.
This is the church I used to get dragged from Luton to London to attend as a kid / teen - every Sunday the 757 coach and a 30+ mile journey - then a service that lasted many hours, conventions, healing / miracle crusades and conferences.
Victory Church - 1994 Hampstead London
Pastor Michael Bassett speaking at Victory Church in 1994.
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please read this thread friend
For what is a man profited, if he shall gain the whole world and lose his own soul? Or what shall a man give in exchange for his soul? God never said the way would be great all the time, he knew challenges would come, but he said I WiLL BE WITH YOU. I cry for your soul
If you feel a sense of void, read the "Demon-haunted world" by Carl Sagan. To wonder and marvel at life without the limitations of narrow, imperfect myths.
I relate to this story so much... granted I came to the realization at the age of 20 so I didn’t nearly as many years in as you did. I agree it is super hard at first. But I promise it gets easier and life gets better. It truly is like a rebirth/liberation.
Welcome to the real world, Dave. We're glad to have you and love you back. The best thing? We're not imaginary.
Find your home in personal spirrituality now that you have been scandalized out of the soul-polluting religion industry.
Dave, I have no idea who you are but I know exactly what you're talking about. I was a missionary for 15 out of my 30yrs as a xian. I no longer believe anything at all and have never felt so free.
Your story is interesting to say the least. But your problem wasnt with faith, but with church. Faith is a state of mind not an organization. Your views are skewed by people not faith.
You delved deep into passage looking for certain answers, but what many "church goers" fail at
Is that looking at the bible as the absolute truth and only way to live are misguided.
The bible is just merely a reference and stories of perception. A guide book of sorts.
Your happiness was somehow directly linked to this idea of how you were supposed to perceive faith.
It is unfortunate you had this experience, but so is life.
Good luck in your journey. May you find the peace you have been searching for.
As an Evangelical, I first want you to know that I’m so sorry you’ve experienced such hardship and hurt. Secondly, I pray the Lord will heal your wounds and that you will see & experience the beauty of Christ. He loves you, Dave, oftentimes in contrast to the way His people act.
You had the seed of doubt in you. Since the 8 grade. Study the book of James. It basically says in the beginning of the book that he who has doubt should not perceive that they should receive anything from God. That seed has steamed and been in your spirit majority of your life
Jesus told his people to listen to the Pharisees but never do as they do. Pharisees were in control of the religious office of the church, full of dishonesty, cult of personality and many other misrepresentations of what God was all about. Gospel of Christ eludes many even today
To an extent the very Pharisees were ones who provoked Jesus to publicly demonstrate miracles for them to believe, many Christians hunger for same demonstration today, without which are unable to believe. Not surprising to hear about your journey to date.
Anyone calling himself a Christian ought to feel the urge to pray for you without applying any form of duress unto you.
I support you and respect you. I wish you well. Since I’m an anonymous person out here in the twitterverse, I know this doesn’t help much.
Been there, done that. And the second half is SO much better than the first. This too, this pain, shall pass. Hang on to your integrity/your sense of self and you’ll draw a like-minded community to yourself and flourish. Huge hugs. 🙌🏽❤️
Your story is one of pure pain. I am so thankful that you're sharing it. I truly hope things get better for you and you realize you're true potential. With love. 💖
Thank you for sharing this. I’m sorry you suffered so much for so long. There are many paths and I hope you’ve finally found yours ❤️
I was raised in a fundamentalist evangelical background and walked away, too. My heart goes out to you. You did the right thing.
After the dust settles, there is a lot more peace of mind in being sure of what you don't believe than doubting what you do believe.
I think sometimes we just find ourselves in the wrong places that lead to us starting on a wrong footing. I went through the thread and notice the absence of self. The holy spirit always helps you discover yourself. maybe if you had, the journey would have been a lot smoother.
Please try Islam, and if still you don't find the answers you're looking for, then you can walk away.
A trial is all I ask.
Thank you for an astounding thread. I hope you find contentment, peace and satisfaction in your new life.
God anyone that leaves the evangelical portion of christianity is a huge win for all sane and rational people. Thank you for realizing the bible is nonsense and has been used to manipulate, destroy, and kill for the last 2000 plus years.
Dave, I cried through this whole thread, each tweet hits deeper than the next. I feel this pain, this experience, this “lostness” in my “foundness”. My whole heart. Know that I suffer with you, standing for you, kneeling for you.
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I’ve been where you’re at now. It’s difficult. But take heart and hope in the understanding that what is meaningful in this world is now up to you.
I understand your struggle at least to a degree. I am in a somewhat similar state of reconstruction where faith is concerned but my entire "Christian" life has been full of the supernatural and miracles. That makes reconsidering dogma head scratching
Thank you for sharing this. As an #exvangelical myself, it means so much to know I’m not alone and when I see others being brave it makes me braver. Our issues with christianity are valid, credible, thought-through and our departure is as well. Thanks for the strength and honesty
BIGGEST mistake you can ever make. Don’t let a crushing stage determine your destiny. I’m praying for you, sir 🙏🏽
Good for you Dave we are supporting you. I left the church as a teenager after realizing the #1 BS christian belief that women are baby making machines that are put on this earth "FOR" the man. & I've never looked back. We welcome you.
Dear Dave, Go meet a Senior Pastor and let him pray for you to receive your sight. God is truly saying something that you are not listening. More so whatever we face or go through, Jesus knows all about our struggles. And YES, God is God irrespective. Shalom
Hi @DaveGass3. I would like to interact with you on this issue. I am in the same boat with you. It's been 10 years for me, since leaving the faith and ministry.
May you find true happiness 🤗
Your honesty to yourself and others is what will be healing to many. Those who are stuck under the construct of religion whichever one it is run from true love and follow a path of fear. Spirituality with Humanity is what breeds peace and warmth.
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Thank you for your honesty 🙏🏽❤️
Ah the red pill! Welcome! No answers this side either, but you’ll soon learn to love not knowing or having to know. It’s a trip!
Thank you for sharing this. It broke my heart to read this, I so relate to every single thing you said. The haters will come out in force. Block and unfriendly. It’s impossible to get through to them. Fuck them! I’ve learned the hard way.
This thread shows u didn't look do God, u were just trying to validate the scripture and Christianity
People are shitty and abusive, Christianity won't change everybody
And as for you seeing similarities between Greek books and d Bible, you allowed yourself see that
God's graces
What I find most unfortunate is that you appear to equate Christianity with fundamentalist evangelicalism. I hope in the rest of your journey you realize that it is the co-option of Christianity by this subset that has done the world a disservice not faith itself.
Come home to Orthodoxy like me
I know GOD and I know HE exists....at least in Africa, Nigeria to be precise. I've witnessed several miracles & I am a living example of miracles with all I've gone thru. Try Winners Chapel (Living Faith Church) or Redeemed Church in Nigeria and other countries.
It's love that made me come out of seclusion to reply his tweet...cos I won't like to see him doomed. Maybe he was a Pastor in Orthodox Churches, let him try Pentecostal Churches & he'll see miracles happen on a daily basis.
I was a Pastor before being ordained an Apostle for 8 years & the miracles I've witnessed can fill 10 bibles if not more.
The 'Love Gospel' is encapsulated by John 3:16:For God so loved the world that he sent HIS son... What I'm preaching is the Gospel Truth thru Jesus Christ cos Jesus said-what u see me do, u shall so much more=Miracles. I'm also preaching repentance here.
And this is why Nigeria knows no poverty, is incredibly powerful and leads the world in everything.
@DaveGass3 Badt sarcasm.
Similar story. Was a lay minister for 14 years. Been out around 7 years now. Best decision I've ever made. It gets better. Glad you've found support.
Dave, I don’t have the answers.
But as a Christian kid who was born and grew up in the church - 4 generations, my great grand dad was a preacher - many of the things you said resonated with me.
I pray for inner peace as you continue your journey & thank you for your honesty.
Welcome! We have cookies.
I get it. Studying the Bible made me walk away. I was gonna be the next big progressive author in my mind. But what I read did not match what I saw. No amount of college essays could fix what I saw. I explored. I came out. I left. I had to. Staying would have killed me.
Thank you for sharing your story. I’m so sorry you went through this. At least we can both attest to the fact that there is life after leaving. Hang in there. 💜
I had similar experiences but walked away much sooner. Whether it's 40 years or 20 (in my case) it's a huge step. We're proud of you, and you're not alone.
Didnt read your story, but Why did you feel the need to tell us. Keep that decision to yourself nex t time.
@DaveGass3 No. He has every right to express himself.
Congrats from another ex. Welcome to the dark side 😂
Congratulations for taking the hardest step! We tend to be standing alone when we first leave to find ourselves, until we find likeminded people who support us and hold us up. It's good you realized you were gas lighting yourself and that you stopped! I wish you much happiness!
Responses are hilarious
Practice spiritually not religion my friend 🙏🏻
Darn, I knew someone looking to hire a Christian in the KC metro.
You were never one, but all the best in your new endeavor, brother! Take care :)
It's not about religion or doctrines... People make the church...it's about your personal spiritual relationship with God...
You may be able to get some support from The Clergy Project clergyproject.org They are an organization for current and former professional religious leaders without supernatural beliefs.
The Clergy Project - Religious Leaders Beyond Belief
The Clergy Project provides support, community, and hope for deconverted religious professionals with its Online Community of Forums.
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Those that claim to have know Him were very far away from Him.
I don't believe you are before, He know His people and they knew Him too
I am sorry your walk was so troubled. I'm sorry He did not answer your prayers. I'm sorry you were not able to connect to Him in the most meaningful of ways. I'm sorry your parents were cruel. Maybe one day you will connect with God (not the church). Be kind be happy and be well.
I am sorry for all that happened to you in church and among church people. Many of us have had similar discouragement from the attitudes of people who are supposed to reflect the love of God. But you need to remember that Jesus still loves you in spite of your experiences.
Good luck brother. You have your integrity and moral courage. With those your path will be obvious.
Thank you so much for sharing this. I imagine it was anything but easy.
Now you get to swear, which rules
I resonate so much with this thread. My heart is with you ♥️ It takes so much guts to be authentically ourselves and remove the masks of society. I hope things start looking up and that you’re able to rebuild. Sending all the love your way.
We aren't static
Good for you.
It looks like you have made the right choice. I am sure you will find your place again and maybe you will inspire some other people to do the same.
Faith is not the answer, especially when it leads to situations like this!
love and light to you 💡💫
The heathens welcome you.
Dave—I read your account & was deeply moved. I am a Rev. I am bisexual. I am also a practicing person of faith—but I have also see “behind the curtain” to coin a phrase from Wizard of Oz. I want you to know that I support your deconstruction & move to wholeness. You are loved❤️
My partner is Unitarian and when I share in her spiritual path w/ her—we are joined by theists+non-theists alike.
Irenaeus states, “The glory of God is man fully alive” —I believe fully alive is the key even if that requires us to tear down childhood/adulthood home and rebuild
As your reassemble your life—I wish you deep peace,full authenticity—love, joy, presence, belonging+abundance
A space for the gifts that you have to manifest in themselves new ways for new contexts that are fully authentic to you
Even in the wilderness—we never wander alone❤️
Kudos to you! I understand that it hurts you greatly, but seeing the harsh truth behind the faith and letting it go, is far better than holding onto it. Christianity will never change.
I respect your opinion, but I believe you suffered from having a deceitful Christian life with false promises. God isn't a magician (I think that's what you expected) but a miracle worker. You needed to look beyond your need for "quick fix" to experience His miracles.
The major promise of God to those who believe in Christ is Eternal Life. Not financial, economic and health prosperity. You need to understand that deeply. End
Just accept Islam. I'm very sure you will get an internal peace.
I just hope he didn't become an atheist?
Most likely. Bcoz I saw some commentors asking him to join
Yana ruwa
This is truely an honest post. Your words have touched me and I feel your pain. My path has been up and down for many years, but I personally have found more peace by building my relationship with God outside of a church set up. I find churches to be filled with judgement.
Thanks for your honesty.
"But the church burdens people with fear, shame, and guilt, all for the purpose of maintaining control."
The ego and superiority complex is a killer of character, abusive without remorse.
Welcome to reality, it's not easy, but at least it's true.
✌️
Freedom is a mental conscious state. And not everyone will be gifted with this privilege.
Is it really a gift to be Free? And is it fully a mental "conscious" state?
A genuine case without any facade. You'll be strong through the transition journey. Welcome home.
Great thread
Personally, Im still trying to see if I can find the line that tells me walking away from the religion I've been raised with doesn't mean walking away from God.
Peace to you, from someone who has walked a very similar path. Thank you for sharing your story.
I've always been a believer, but I realized a long time ago that how many people view religion and even the nature of God just isn't for me. I view the bible as a source of compassion and strength, not of judgement and anger. I truly sympathize with what you're going through
And I hope you find the peace you seek.
Much respect. Religion; opiate of the masses
May the Lord surround you with His love, May His mercies, steadfast love hound you all the days of your life and May His everlasting love hold you even when you have lost your grip.
So hope that at the end of this trying of your faith, you see Jesus standing with His arms outstretched to welcome you Home. He is faithful!
I don’t identify as Christian, but I do know people who live a true Christian life and they are good people. I believe these political Evangelicals & some local ones, are dragging Christianity through the mud. Why don’t good Christian people stand up & take back their religion?
That seems so incredibly painful. I join with you in hoping for a more joyful, free, and loving path
I felt this on a spiritual level (all pun intended)
Why not nothing? It's not a lie
this really made me feel some type of way.
You’re very brave. If I lived closer I would help you. Good luck to you! If ever in the Monterey Bay Area DM me.
I see you and I hope you find the room now to be able to identify what you truly value, and the freedom to live out those values. I feel much more productive at being good outside of evangelicalism than when I was trying to make it work.
You're an incredibly brave person for getting this all out of your system. Faith is a deeply personal matter, and your path is no less valuable for being outside organised religion. Don't let the fire-and-brimstone dogma-spreaders convince you otherwise.
Congrats 🎈🎊🎉 welcome my friend!
you’d enjoy this thread
Love and light your way. May the new journey be less strenuous.
Thank you, Dave! My experience is nothing like yours, but I too was raised in a Protestant Church. Like many in my 60s generation, I studied & participated in many different religions/beliefs, which changed my paradigms. The travesty of Franklin Graham was the last straw for me!
Great thread!
My heart goes out to you. Walk in Love.
I identity fully with everything you said. I left when I was 15 but still have wounds that will never heal. Thank you for sharing.
Where’s the place of the HOLY SPIRIT in all this? I actually didn’t notice any mention of him in the thread. I pray for peace, joy and healing for you.
Not real can be threatened,
Nothing unreal exists, and
Herein lies the peace of God.
~this is from The Course in Miracles,
which is what finally spoke to me.
It takes a lot to own your beliefs and thoughts, especially doubts and questions. I hope life continues on for you in better and stronger ways
I was raised Roman Catholic: Catholic school K-12(+1yr college), couldn't find what I was looking for there, tried multiple denominations for the same result.
While no where near what you went through, I hear you and validate you.
And welcome you, am going to follow you 😁
I’m so sorry, I know that was hard. I’m an atheist so I’m delighted to have you, but I sympathize with what you must’ve experienced emotionally.
It's kind of funny to see all the Christians say. you were just Christianing wrong. Don't worry, life as a "none" ain't bad at all.
Very moving Dave. And I applaud your self awareness and courage. You are taking huge steps to self determination and that's where the strength is. Dog bless.
congrats
I have to make time to read this thread
Tjooooo! So deep and very true. I can relate in more ways than one!
Im still trying to make time 2 read it
Tjooooo ..
“Unroll” requests are ruining twitter conversations 🤦🏼♂️
what was your inspiration for this bold move brother?
Try reading the Holy Qur'an. It is the way out of everything. This can be the best advice of your life.
True Christianity begins with an Encounter with the Person Jesus Christ, Not in studying Theology. Pray to the Lord for an Encounter with Him. It's only an Encounter that would answer all your questions.
I have traveled a similar path. You’re going to be ok. God is real. God is love. That’s all you need to know & live. Everything else is manmade, temporary & corrupted. “You will know them by their fruits...”
You are not alone. ❤️
Your heart is so full & I'm glad you have a chance to bare it all. A lot of people know most of what you are tweeting about. I pray all the good you've done, will return to you hundredfold & it will be well with you.
Not an easy journey. You don't know who is who. Stay Strong! 🦋
Whatever anyone else may say, it is incredibly brave to walk away from something that you've invested so much (and so many years) of your life into.
Dave, thank you for having the courage and integrity to say all of this, publicly no less.
Who/what are you now?
Try Islam and your life will never remain the same
Live your life now you're free but love God keep Jesus in your heart and walk with the Holyspirit
You only practiced religion
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This is the MOST IMPORTANT TWEET. Thank you. I grew up in a Pentecostal household, and it completely fucked me up. I am now almost 20 years away from it, and I STILL am dealing with the trauma of it. Thank you. Thank you.
You’re very brave. I walked away 11 years ago and couldn’t be happier with my decision. My life continues to improve the more I show myself and others love & acceptance. That’s the key. Truly.
My path was similar to yours, Dave. Raised by evangelical missionary parents, trained in the ministry, couldn't reconcile reality with the religious beliefs. Kudos for making the hard choice to find truth.
Thank you for your bravery and honesty. You are not alone- May you never feel alone anymore. Praying that your wounds will heal with love and time and reflection and a lot of empathy from those around you.
#exvangelical
Thanks for sharing.
@dewaleolaoye @Preachie_me
I hope that your future is a happy one. Wishing you peace.
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Dear Sir, you will be doing a great service if you could speak up against the mindless conversion of hundreds and thousands of Hindus in India through inducements and hate propaganda.
did you see this?
Tried to look him up on YouTube but nothing. Leaving a religion can’t be easy especially if you preached, for me it was a piece of cake, i was “this is bullshit and I won’t tell anyone they will find out themselves” so there was no pressure on me. What’s next to mind control?
Exactly. For him as a preacher, and as committed as he was, that must have been a feet. He’s story is worth listening to.
I wonder how the wife is doing? As much as he decided to free himself from that garbage called religion, the wife is probably still a believer and confused as fuck or thinking its the work of the devil. She will need closure
I’m thinking that the wife is most probably hurt and lost (I would be). This was his personal journey. From what I got from thread: It was about his self actualisation. Him coming to terms with his different dimensions of reality. He seems to resent the marriage.
It wasn’t an arranged marriage though,there’s some elements of selfishness. Of course we dont know if the wife would have been okay with him leaving the religion and staying married. This thing of I’m not happy in my marriage is childish, nobody is except for me😂😂😂
The entire thread is self centered. It’s about him and his journey to his self actualisation. He resents his marriage. Multiple times he refers to his marriage negatively. But he was endocrined. Unless he was honest and included the wife in his journey, it’s fucked up for her.
Exactly, but hen again where do you draw the line? Do you live in misery to protect someone else’s feelings or you go for what makes you happy
My opinion?: No. You don’t pretend & fake it. That only causes more pain, because your unhappiness and resentment will filter through. Instead, u are honest to you and those around u. And you are considerate in forming a “get out” plan which has all parties playing their part.
Also people change and it’s okay
From the thread, his decision was completely isolated to him and how all his historic experiences led him to this conclusion. He definitely resents his marriage, he mentioned his unwillingness of it at least thrice.
Saw that and i support him being selfish but there are other people involved but i hope in the end everyone gets closure
Same. I support his truth and his journey. We are humans though, and sadly / unfortunately because we are interlinked to others, the decisions we take for ourselves can adversely affect those close to us.
Religion is probably the best marketing all time! Just like you need a diamond ring to get married. You can benefit from church community as a fringe follower just don’t go down the rabbit hole man is a never ending black hole. Chained freedom and misery happiness well said!
With you!
see this.
@DaveGass3 Can't view it
@DaveGass3 See what?
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Hi. Welcome to the club. It may or may not help. But religion in its benign form helps people find a purpose. But the reality is that they will find that purpose without a divine being. It is up to each of us to find that purpose.
If your thread indicates the person you are
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You can continue your work. Helping others as a councilor and mentor. Now you can help even more people because you have removed the shackles of dogma.
I know it is a hard road and I hope you find the peace you are looking for along the way. :)
I understand your pains. There is no heaven on earth. No. Christ said strive. There are disappointments, weeping ,sorrow. There is an enduring to the end,not a bed of roses. It's narrow and hard. Yours were temptations: your cross. You deserve prayers not condemnation.
Dave, I love your quest for Truth, Your Truth. The stories of the bible made so little sense to me. I, too, researched them and learned who wrote them and for what purposes. It is a curious thing to me...persons wanting to believe in the existence of gods or goddesses.
Did you have a personal relationship with Jesus? Was he actually your Lord and personal saviour, did you look unto him as the author and finisher of your faith? Ask yourself if truly you spent 40years knowing Jesus or you spent same practising Christianity as q religion?
This thread spoke to me so deeply. While I never got as involved as you, I wasted my entire teenage years and some of my early 20s trying to live by a set of rules that many "fellow believers" didnt even follow
(2) also will pray that you might one day feel called to a different kind of church home that loves you and celebrates you for the person you are and are becoming (scars and all), not for the person you thought you should be.
Welcome to the light...
Interesting
You're not walkin away from faith, you're walkin towards it... God has no religion, no name, no gender, it has not made is into its image, we have made it into ours. It cannot be qualified nor quantified. There are no sacred place of worshipp because all places are sacred...
If you wanna know about god ask me because I am god...
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I was never as involved in religion and god as you, but I walked away as a teenager and never looked back. And for the same reasons. You’ll find the godless have their assholes, too, but overall, we’re some of the most accepting people you’ll meet.
Welcome.
The reality is that every so called religious person feels what u do. they just pretend they dont. U can easily see how they go to church sunday and live their lives doing the opposite of what their bible says. I’ve seen people read abt the love of jesus then say racist things
Very honest and courageous thread. I am and have always been an atheist. I believe,for all the reasons you’ve spelled out and many more, that religion is actively harmful. The sooner all people realise that if things aren’t right it is up to us humans to fix it, the better.
I’m happy for you. My 1st realization was in 6 grade, being taught the story of Noah’s Ark for the millionth time. I posed a question: “what about the fish? Floods don’t kill fish.” The teacher told me I just had to have faith and I’d understand later in life — I was done. 😂
It was the kind god concept for me. If god is omniscient and omnipotent, then suffering exists because he wants it to. Also, if you say gays are bad because the Bible said so, why aren’t we stoning Karen for eating shrimp and wearing polyester blend?
to me I think this is the day that Jesus has manifested himself in you fully. If he himself was disbelieved by even among those he did miracles, so what do you expect.. Have the freedom of mind and free will and u will see God in amazing ways. I look forward to your next annancmt
Hey man- don’t know if you’ll see this, but check your DMs if you can. So so so much love to you.
to continue- if anyone really believed in god and heaven they wld never take medicine. they wouldnt mind dying cuz they wld b wt god. but if u notice they fight their illnesses to the end tryg not to leave this world when supposdly paradise awaits. its a bs.
I see many in the comments want you to separate completely from the church and others think you haven't dived deep enough into the word of God. The second couldn't have read the full thread. Anyway.
However you choose to live your life now, just be honest to yourself. Much love
I’m speechless. I could have written this almost verbatim. Welcome home, brother. There are many of us #exvangelicals here...and we love and accept you with open arms and no conditions.
Thank you for posting this. I was only ever the most marginal believer (I sort of believed because my friends did - I wasn’t raised religiously), but even at that, acknowledging that I didn’t believe was difficult. I’ve openly been a non-believer for longer than I “believed.” 1/
It gets easier. 2/
Great thread, welcome to reality! I hope your transition gets smoother and you are fully able to embrace the freedom of living a true life.
Sending you so much love on your journey. ❤️🙏
Seems Like You've been In The Wrong Faith
Nice to see someone leave for factual reasons before emotional ones. Logically if Yahweh existed & made cruel demands it would suck but not be reason to disbelieve. You could rejoin and I wouldn't mind now that you've had the brain slug off to see what that's like.
There are solid arguments for the existence of God that don’t rely on appeals to emotions
Depends which conception of God and what one considers to be solid. I keep hearing from Christians that Lee Strobel and Kent Hovind are brilliant thinkers. I suspect their bar for their own side is a little low.
@DaveGass3 I'd look into Edward Feser instead. He breaks down the correct epistemology and ontology in talking about what God is which is what most people get wrong. You can probably get some pdf files of his works online, but there's a ton of interviews if you can, try to find a meaty talk
Your Loss.... God will continue to be God whether you re with Him or not. He remains faithful! Jesus is Lord! Hallelujah!
I'm so sorry to hear that, I can see that you had quite a committed relationship with the church, but God. There's nowhere in your thread where you speak about having an intimate relationship with God. Maybe it's time to find him now that you have come out of your comfort zone
Mormon? I won't be shocked if that's the church \religion you decided quit.
Much of this resonates although I’m still a Jesus fan-girl, just one in post-evangelical recovery! Thank you for sharing your truth and vulnerability. I’m coming to the conclusion that fundamentalism of any kind is Fear-based, Mystery-averse, and Power-hungry. Go well, friend.
Social media strikes again 😏 So we are random? Everything about us and our existence is just coincidence? Dude... you need Jesus more than ever. This life is not the reward. It rarely works the way you want it to. Life got hard & you walked away?
Okay let's say Jesus isn't real? Satan most certainly is. Look at our society. Look at Hollywood. Watch the media. Listen to the music. Observe the Youth. Recognize the pagan symbolism everywhere. We're in some of the most challenging times that any Christian has had to face.
What angers me most that you have been driven this far. None of us will understand your pain. I hope you find your way. I recognized these things in churches as well but you should remember that your personal relationship with God is above all.
Anger was the wrong word.. more like frustration. Its tough tho man... i too have struggles. I hope that you find your path. God bless brother
So moved by your tweets. What a brave man you are! Escaping fundamentalist religion of whichever variety inevitably leaves people reeling & adrift. Recognise your survivor status & you will find a way thru. Speak up, speak out! Feel your hand being shaken all the way from the UK!
As an active pagan, I have heard your story many times from other witches, and even some atheists.
The Church is not where any god lives. Our deities must live in us for faith to truly be faith.
If you found you could have no true relationship with Jahova, then there's no 1/
shame in walking away from his Church. Whether you find your peace among new Gods or simply remain agnostic or atheist is your choice. But no matter what, I hope you get to be happy.
2/
I understand what you're going through and it could get rougher. First thing you need to do is to deal with the guilt. Once you've conquered that, the rest is pretty easy. You will gradually remove the blinkers as you start moving towards yourself. Get rid of the attachments
God will continue to be God whether you re with Him or not. He is (and remains) faithful. Jesus is Lord! Hallelujah!
This is sad but so full of honesty and integrity. Thank you.
am awful lot there bud
This process can be unspeakably painful, but that self- and world-honesty is super rare and valuable. I keep hoping to find people who make it out and understand. Sort of strangely encouraging to read this rando thread on the Internet.
Welcome to the real world!!
We'll come to the dark side. We have cookies.
This is sad to read & I’m sorry it’s been so hard. It’s easy for long-term atheists like me to forget how shattering this can be. But now you can put down the guilt & set out to learn fearlessly. Life is more exciting & interesting this way, even if it’s scary at first. Best xx
Thanks for sharing ❤️
I was in a similar position. Went to church growing up, studied the Bible through my youth program religiously, even wanted to be a pastor for a long time. But questions still lingered, so I got out of it.
I tried a few more times to get involved with church and Christianity, but each time, I failed, and quicker than before.
There are certainly good Christians out there. Most of the ones I know are.
But I’ve also met a handful of bad ones, which made me realize that “being a good person” was more than about being religious. It wasn’t until I, along with the help of people like @Erimgard, finally accepted that my place does not lie in religion. That I’m happiest without it
So much support to you through this time of restructuring and rebuilding 🙂
There are so many people who claim to be “Christian” but they turn out to follow the ways of this world more than Jesus’ loving ways. I’m sorry the church failed you, im sorry your “Christian” parents were abusive. I pray you can forgive and maybe come back? But it’s up to you.
Sending much love to you and blessings for your journey. My heart hurts for your pain, but I have every confidence that you will find your way.
Welcome to the wholly natural world. #Atheism
Hi Dave. Christianity isn’t about how much right you do or rules you follow. From your story, you’ve been chasing a religion for the past 40 years instead of a relationship with God and I can totally understand why you’ll feel this way. Religion is exhausting
According to Christians and God himself, it IS about the rules you follow. If you don’t follow the rule of loving him, you get sent to hell. How narcissistic and unloving of a being that apparently created a being with free will
You’re supposed to chase relationship not the rules because God created us and knows how flawed we are already. So we can strive to follow rules but not make that the core of our relationship.
But if you fail at the rules, you get hellfire forever 😂
You’re missing the point but oh well. The goal is not getting all the rules right, it’s striving towards living right
Except God says otherwise. Are you saying you know better than he?
I can't imagine what sort of chaos this has caused for you. I truly hope you are able to find peace and happiness on your new path.
My man, you never knew Jesus at all.
My gift 4 you, and from The Spirit for you:
Job 42: 1-6
God bless you!
the world doesn’t need more churches or more religion or more gods.
ALL WE NEED IN THIS WORLD IS MORE LOVE.
and i’m excited that you’ve discovered that love can blossom and be found anywhere in life.
Dave, I too walked away from a faith I followed for many years. It took time, but I was able to find a simpler spiritual path, one without any hierarchy, guilt, or shame. After a while, I was able to forgive those who had caused harm, seeing them as flawed humans, just like me.
história interessante.
Souls who quit "ABRAMAHIC" religions automatically become #Sanatanis.
Welcome to #SanatanaDharma.
Peaceful coexistence is the "way of life"! (with mutual respect)
Reject #missionaries #conversions #orders
That thread had the whole story arch and I've followed for the sequel. I'm glad to see so many who've walked your path ready to help receive you and help.
It’s a pity you had a relationship with Christianity and the Church of organized religion and completely missed the Christ of both? Hope you find good work my brother 🙌
You walked the path of righteousness. Now you can walk the path that rocks.
It is simple Dave. God is Love and Love is God. Life is Love and Love is Life. That's all any religion needs to teach. So just continue loving as you always have and don't seek a label for the essence of love.
“You might go to church
And sit down in a pew
Those humans who ain't human
Are sittin' right next to you
They talk about your family
They talk about your clothes
When they don't know their own a**
From their own elbows”
John Prine Some Humans Aint Human
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I think you will find a lot of us who practice true Christianity often don't attend church faithfully because our relationship is personal, not contingent on exploitation and merit. Peace be with you on your journey brother ✌🏻
You will be just fine! I started having similar reservations some years ago. I have not walked away...I'm just looking at things slightly differently.
This was one of the deepest and most sincere stories I’ve read...
Thank you for sharing and for your courage! I wish you that you find even more love and friends down your new path! *hugs*
Truly admirable but--don't freak--also kind of funny. 40 years! Like Moses wandered in the desert for less time! And you sorta knew at 14.
I joke not to mock but b/c a sense of humor about oneself is a powerful self-protective device. If we lived to 400 it wouldn't matter but--
it's ok not to be a Christian. just have a relationship with God/Christ, it's a different walk all together, His spirit guides us through all life's up and downs. An easy life was not part of the package promised, a walk with us is what He promised. Goodluck Bro
It's OK to not accept the claims to.
It’s ok that god isn’t real, too.
Did you here what he said?
I like the way Joseph Campbell described the world’s religions- all different cars on the same train.
The dogma associated with the evangelicals in the USA is just... mind blowing. Hate in the name of Jesus”.
@DaveGass3 Association with Christ itself is Christianity stop pulling him behind. He has made a powerful decision to go godless and into the world of reason and sense.
This Christian in no way condemns you or has any desire to shout at you. May you know deep peace and genuine love as you journey on. Sending virtual hugs x
I hope you find fulfilment in the beginning of the rest of your life, and that it is rich in experiences and love.
I think what you really need is personal relationship with God
Then you can know and understand what is meant by genuine love
Its never a mirage
The love of God is real
Sorry for what you have ever passed through
Lastly pls never try to please people but please God and find peace
A hard and brave decision and welcome to the other side.
There is a huge amount to celebrate in the humanity in the world.
I believe in the family, with my ever loving wife beside me, but she don’t know about my girlfriend. Or the man I met last night.
Won’t find me practicing what I’m preaching, or finding me make no sacrifice. But I can get you a pocket full of miracles, if ya promise to be good try to be nice. God will take good care of you, just do as I say don’t do as I do.
Foundation shaking change is never easy. Good luck my man hope your next chapter leads to that happiness you seek
Very saddened to read this narrative. My 50 year journey has been very different. I've seen some of the things you have, but also Christians of great grace and character throughout my life and great freedom and joy. I wonder how the journeys can be so different. Grace & Peace.
Just don't look to closely...
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Thanks for sharing this story, and all the best finding new meaning in life.
Live your truth.
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Although I was never a church "professional" I served on parish councils, etc. At about the same age I had to figure out what I actually believed and what I was taught to believe and came to a similar conclusion.
Christ still loves you and nothing should separate you from his love.
This Christianity thing is really personal.
Here is someone fully convinced the whole is a farce.
And here is me, fully convinced as to it's efficacy. I do think what he said about those on fringes enjoying the faith more than those at the top to be very noteworthy.
Funny how I listened to a very profound podcast yesterday that had similar points. I can feel this guy's heart from his words and honestly, I can understand why he'd give up. If you're trying to be right all by yourself, you'd never feel good enough. That was never the plan. Sigh
What happened
The Modern Church has lost the spiritual connection with the supreme being. Just try to get the personal connection between your soul and your spirit with the universal consciousness without hinging this connection on any written book.This way, you will experience peace
I support you and admire your courage. May the new, loving community you have found help your mind and heart heal the wounds of so valiantly trying to believe and make up for what you have lost.
This is d heaviest thread I have ever read; I feel like I should cry. But Dave, u should know there are many who also feel somewhat disappointed. what keeps me going is that d promise of everlasting life, however vague it is, however incredulous it seems is, is worth holding on 2
I really understand your disappointment with people.
Praying that The Lord Reveals His Path To You.
He is real.
Show me your evidence. Dave clearly spent 40 years searching for that evidence and didn't find it. If you have it, you owe it to him, and everyone reading this thread, to produce it.
These liberal atheists thinking it’s rebellious and anti-establishment being against Christianity... 😂😂
You read the bible right? Hope you didn't miss job's story? Believe in God and not the church,it's the faith that heals and not knowing all the pages in the bible. Be strong,have faith and believe in God. All lost shall be restored to you in 7folds. Thanks!
Love and peace to you. I truly get where you are coming from.
come follow this.
Reading this thread. I kind of feel the same way. I have elected to be spiritual and not religious. I learned it's not God in the sense of his existence, but it's the people who claim to be of him or claim to be him.
I can only imagine how rough this was. I dealt with just a tiny amount of the emotions you've had to deal with. I'm glad you can live a life that actually makes you happy now though.
Oh, and you might want to ignore most of the replies you get to this thread. Lol
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Welcome. I hope, and think, you'll enjoy your new rational life.
I can't like this thread enough. Absolutely all the best in what's comming, I'm sure it will all be for the better
really appreciate you sharing your experience.
Maybe serving in the nursery was what would have worked 🤪😜
I've been where you are. It's hard when you give up a belief and community you've known since birth. It may take time to find your direction again. I hope the best for you and if you need someone to talk too I am available.
My friend, you have not “lost everything.” You have gained a life free of superstitious fear. You have the rest of your life to make a real contribution, which begins with your tweet today. Find real friends. Enjoy it all.
Excellent thread describing the shame religion is. Good for you!
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This is so sad to read, but I relate to many of the doubts and questions. I have met and had deep discussions with so very many people that have been hurt by rigid, oppressive churches.
"the system didn't work. The promises were empty".
Dave you expected too much ,the fact is that every reason you gave is why God is real but not church , working in church is not ! I repeat is not serving Jesus Christ
I'm saddened by all the painful experiences you had to go through as a Pastor. I'm more saddened that by them you lost your faith.
I can't help but hear Jesus praying as you went through them: "Satan has asked to sift all of you as wheat. But I have prayed for you, Dave, that your faith may not fail."
I see massive failures by people around you, like I see around me everyday. Christians are weak people. Like me, they all have tendencies to slip back into self-absorption and care less about others.
Like me, they often find themselves pursuing their own interests. Sometimes their own ambitions and pride get in the way. And they don't give love when they should.
Unlike Jesus, I and them (and you, Dave) are incapable of giving unconditional love. We tend to only give when we receive. When we feel less loved, we walk away or hold back.
Not so Jesus.
It's Jesus who held me when I lost everything I treasured a few years ago. Encouragement messages from Christians rang hollow and made no sense.
But Jesus. He assured me that He still loved me.
He assured me that I wasn't wrong to trust Him. That even though I was losing my faith, He still loved me and would die again for me.
You Dave went through a really long rough patch. But you weren't wrong to trust Jesus.
Yeah, you were wrong to trust men. Selfish men who sometimes are loveless. But to trust Jesus, no man ever was wrong to trust Him.
You may be wrong now if you fully trusted your newfound "loving" friends outside of church, same way you were when you fully trusted church people.
I dare say, Dave, that you turn back to Jesus and trust Him now that men have failed you. They will continue to fail you even in the "new half" of your life.
Find the courage to trust Jesus. HE NEVER FAILS.
Don't even call yourself Christian (in the religious sense of the word). Just trust Jesus and worship Him. That's all.
You haven't reached the end of your life. But when you finally do, you will realize that Jesus never failed you.
I was a peripheral church goer; I could go for years, and no one ever even said 'hi' to me. Now I follow Jesus' teachings without deifying him or participating in the Jesus industry. He was a smart guy; a rebel. So now you've rebelled, which makes you even more "Christlike."
When ate ppl going to understand that religion is a hoax? 40 years of churchgoing? damn! what a wasted life you've lived..all those wasted Sundays :-(
I said goodbye to my Imaginary Friend over 30 years ago and started over - with everything but my job.
Love exists. Beauty exists. Life exists.
(And I’ve never enjoyed mythology more!)
Be well my friend.
The Bible is all about Astro theology, particularly the New Testament.
I can't say I've had anywhere near the hardship you've had but I did notice that I was a lot less angry once I left christianity. Thank you for telling your story. You are not alone. It gets better.
Thank you for sharing. Sending you love. It's not an easy path being a non believer but it's worth it.
It's better to face every day problems without the added stress of a imaginary god.
Hi buddy, just wanted to say that you've really been trying to do the right thing and that's the thing to remember. Our path and the mistakes we make help us become who we are. Don't regret it or feel you've done something wrong. It's just a different understanding of things.
I pray you find yourself, learn to genuinely love you & your neighbor. Anytime you feel wronged or that you've wronged someone, talk it out or let it go, be a blessing to others just a Christ was... That's the essence of Christianity!
This deserves a follow.
Try Sanathan Dharma with same effect and you will find all of yours Questions Answered with Immediate effect.
Welcome to the real world. I mean that most sincerely.
Just this 👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏
I love you and I will pray for u. I will say when I left serving the Air Force, my faith kept me going. Being bullied a lot of my life, not long ago, I felt God tell me "I will always love you no matter what!" and it liberated. I don't attend church, but I feel blessed every day.
A long journey to find your faith; when you blow away the chaff, the wheat reains.
This is a beginning.
read this thread
"Out of the fire into the frying pan",
"आसमान से गिरा, खजूर में अटका"
While I have not walked away from my Christian faith, I am #exvangelical and understand many of the things you’ve said. I am dismayed with the American church. I don’t fit in at any church. Take heart <3
I am proud of you.
I am proud of your growth.
I hope you find the answers you are looking for.
And just know that as long as you have your voice and your health you have not lost everything.
Who knows, maybe the big G wanted u to hold on a Lil.. But u just left... We all move at different pacw
Welcome to the logic side
This is so genuine. Just know that you are not alone.
Welcome.
Thanks for this heartfelt thread, sir. You will get through this with the love of those people that truly love you. Be well and gentle in your thoughts.
Welcome to the godless. You don't need god to be good.
Christian sees the light. Got it. NEXT!
Bless you for your honesty. Israel means to struggle with God. Continue the struggle. God will NEVER forsake you.
After reading through these threads, dear @DaveGass3, I see something in tha 10th thread. You talked about desperation. Have consulted tha holy spirit? Take away all your complains & see something much bigger than your complaints. You know tha truth, brother.
❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️. I sent you a dm.
Listening to the late Dr. Myles Munroe teachings on the Kingdom of God and separating it from religion has helped me..many churches have and are still teaching wrong stuff.Currently reading the Bible as any other novel (after reading ROMA and Empire) makes it relevant for me.
I understand completely. Please read #JosephCampbell. He exemplifies in many of his writings the similarities between ancient religious practices and current practices. Awesome stuff.
I wish some people are aware like what we do
Dave, this kind of deep insight will serve you well in your life. May you grow outside of your shackles!
Don’t look back, you’ve taken a brave and smart decision.
Getting to meet yourself without the bias of religion is one of the greatest feelings you can experience.
Sounds like you freed yourself. It’s never too late to become free.
Love and respect, sir.
Hey it’s okay ❤️
Narn: What is truth and what is god ?
G'Kar: Truth is a river. God is the mouth of the river.
"Meditations on the Abyss", Babylon 5
Dave, I’ve had what it can be called the totally opposite experience. Happy to talk if it can help you in any way. Love you, my brother
I’m so sorry for such a painful journey! I do think your point about fringe worshipers is a good one. The tighter people try to hold onto a thing the more slippery it gets, I’m finding.
Wow! This was so powerful! I only wish more people would come to their senses and realize religion is a sham.
I noticed use of the word “I” upwards of 100 times, and use of the word “Jesus” once. You seem to be missing a huge aspect of being a Christian. “It is not I who live, but Christ who lives in me.” The Bible makes no promise of an easy life, it promises a life with Jesus.
Thank you for sharing. Hope you live your new life to the fullest!
One thing I take with me in the world is that it’s important to make choices, real choices. If we’re not allowed to do that we’re not being allowed humanity. And then, we can’t figure out who we as individuals really are.
I don’t know you, but welcome to the other side of the glass. Go easy on yourself. It takes time to re-learn life with a open mind and open heart.
Thank you for sharing this. This really has touched me. I struggled a lot with religion and being "spiritual" in Christianity but no matter how it was viewed there were always people who think better than everyone else despite preaching no one is worthy of God.
No matter what I did to "fit in" what was expected of me I was never enough. No mattered how much prayers I did or how devoted I was with all my life, soul, mind and body nothing ever changed. I was always disregarded and only needed when there was no one else, always a rebound.
There's so much I can share of regarding such poor experiences that made my current depression even worse. I still battle with the memories I was left after leaving the church 2 years ago. The pain is greater than their "healings" and I still have that pain.
Thank you for sharing your story. Best wishes to you on your journey through life ❤️✌️
Are burdened & I will give you rest. You may know tha scriptures, but how well & strong are you in tha faith & Christ you proclaimed? Dear @DaveGass3, Christ himself died not for his sins, cos he never committed one, but for our sins. He truly loves you...
Welcome to the dark side. We have cookies.
Perhaps, however, you are a good person and you have your integrity too. Being Christian is not synonymous with being good. Wishing you fulfilling employment in the next stage of your journey through life!
This is exactly what you've been seeking, perhaps unconsciously! The Bible you read and taught for years still has Cain, a Jezebel, the brothers of Joseph, Rehab, Judas etc and you can't expect the church to be devoid of such characters today! The Bible never promised that!
Yes, powerful stuff
Religions are the biggest con the human race ever created .. weird believers of imaginary beings
Thank you. I was not in ministry save for nursery/children’s church, but so much of your story mirrors my own. I am only 2yrs out after a lifetime in. It gets better slowly (at least this far).
Spirituality. The sense of knowing there is goodness out there. We all have that capability.
#ReasonOverIdeology, at least your faith and organization allows to step out of it. Not all religions or ideologies are that generous. Apostates are sometimes outlaw and endorsed to get killed without negative consequences for the killer.
Grace and peace as you walk this path. In an aside, I couldn’t help but chuckle when I saw how many people had replied!
Do you still believe Jesus is Saviour,?
My dad was a prophet, I have seen him do miracles, I have also seen him be shitty. This confused me a lot, until my elder brother talked to
... Talked to me and explained the difference between being a vessel, & being filled as a vessel with oil which is the holy spirit...
Knowing God & knowing about God is quite different. However, you will find solace in Jesus Name.On behalf of your congregation, we love you
A very courageous statement. I salute you, sir, and wish peace and happiness to you in the future.
WELCOME TO REALITY.
Welcome to honest “enlightenment “. Everyone is welcome here in the real world.
Congratulations.
This was extremely good to hear. I’ve been struggling with religion for years and only recently have I decided I need to let go. I haven’t fully been able to, still unable to release many of my beliefs, but this thread really helps. Thank you.
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Congrats to you. You’ve made the right choice. Don’t look back.
U r only going to hurt urself by leaving God. U said let, me see the 2nd half of my life. How do u know if u're even going 2 have chance 2 see it, do u know when u're last breath is coming? Bc Eternity is on the other side.
Heaven and hell is no joke, it's real. Read ur Bible
🚶🏽♀️so you did all of this for God and you think this is the best time to give up. cmonnn you have to be kidding me
Welcome back “Neo”. Follow the white rabbit.
Me. Maybe not quite as extreme, but I feel everything you’re saying.
Who hasnt had those gnawing doubts of their faith, but your story is just heart wrenching. Praying for you to find peace and Christ to reveal his love for you.
I can not imagine the hardship you must face by leaving everything you know and going further on your own, I was raised by parrents who believed in God, but were critical of the institute of Church. They thought me that true love is inside you, don’t be afraid to feel it.
Thats fine bro. Religion is man made and taught.
Just don't give up Love. And Hope.
Keep asking where this Love comes from and why we have it and in what way must we use it so it is not wasted.
Welcome to the real world. It's an amazing place. Bible College is what led to me walking away. I just couldn't keep believing the fairy tales long enough to become a pastor.
Hey @nataskaos, I think this is right up your alley
It's ok you leave the church or denomination you belonged to. The Christian faith is so much more than a religiosity living. It is actually a way of life where rules don't apply, Just believe in Him and have fun.
I wish you peace ✌🏾
Just adding to. your flood of notifs, but wanted to say my life was pretty much exactly the same as yours, with the exception that I was also gay.
The church was the cause of years of depression, self-loathing, and self destructive behaviors all while trying to maintain faith.
I watched people abuse the positions given to them. Watched people preach one thing, practice another in the same breath. Saw nothing improve after two decades of hating myself while praying daily for deliverance
Then watched the church burn me when I finally accepted who I was.
Never too late! #enlightenment
This is pure edge.
Hi Dave - speaking as Clergy (Rabbi) myself, you made a good decision. You are choosing to live life authentically, free to ask questions, and determine your own relationship (or not) with the Transcendent.
One can live a life of goodness and service outside of organized religion. Your "calling" may be to truly give unto others (without religious conditions), and seek answers that may never fully come. That is valid, and is borne of a deeper faith than mere religious fervor.
I understand your pain & reasoning. Your journey is your own & your faith (or lack thereof) is only accountable to God. If you've made your peace, I won't judge.
My only concern is that you seem to have gone into this expecting that faith would give you a good life on this earth
Thanks for your honesty. I wish you the best on life. :)
Thank you for sharing. Wishing you peace.
Here is a list of reasons why I abandoned that so called christlike organization
Also 2 Many People take their guidance from so called Christians such as these
Their
Meanspiredness
Hatred
Racism
Pedophilia
MISOGYNY
RUBS off on adherents
Don't believe me?> twitter.com/answerallman/s…
Just don't get how people can belong
1) google.ca/amp/www.indepe…
2) f24.my/2MOz
3) thinkprogress.org/catholic-bisho…
4) m.huffingtonpost.ca/2018/03/27/pop…
5) amp.cnn.com/cnn/2018/04/30…
6) twitter.com/NewstalkFM/sta…
7) history.com/this-day-in-hi…
8) latimes.com/world/europe/l…
9)
Australian archbishop Philip Wilson guilty of concealing child sex abuses
Philip Wilson is the most senior Catholic in the world to be charged and convicted of the offence.
bbc.co.uk
Also
On a caribbean island
I was dragged up in a Roman Catholic Family
Attended RC Church &
3 RC Schools and it's is my experience that I did not encounter many Christlike People by the time I stopped taking my guidance from the
RC church @ 19
Their
MISOGYNY
CRUELTY
Was 2 much😣
My heart hurts for you. I pray for peace in your life. You need that so much more than anything I can imagine. I won’t speak to my experiences though they echo yours at times. They are my own. Yours are valid and yours to decide what to do. I pray for a balance for you.
It's odd but even though I grew up in a family where everyone went to mass & then walked away from that in my teens I didn't feel any major schism or struggle when I did so. If I was a "Professional Christian" it may have been different but all I felt was relief
Good you're honest to yourself. Hope you find peace
I'm sorry that you had to lose everything in order to find yourself. I think sharing your story will bring you an even bigger community of chosen family to accept you and celebrate you livin' your best life. 🙂❤ I've had an ambivalent relationship w/religion my whole life.
That was very brave. I wish you happiness and peace in the coming years.
You are not alone in any of this. Follow your instincts and heart. Life is way too short to adhere to something that makes no sense to you.
I can highly rrcommend Stephen Pinker’s book: Enlightenment Now: The case for reason, science, humanism and progress. It has been a light at the end of a dark tunnel digging out from all the dogma of years and years. Hugs from the Twitterverse.
Id rather meet God and say I lived by Jesus' example of love and compassion but distrusted your messengers and your confused flock then meet him and have to explain why I filed my heart with hate all my life. You seem a good man Dave Gass. Peace be with you.
I'm following you now. Your courage and intellectual integrity are astonishing and all too rare. I was in a fundamentalist Christian cult from age 19-25. We often sang "they will know we are Christians by our love". That is just not true.
I wish you all the best.
You've struggled enough but will be fine when you will meet the right people, who will stand with , behind and beside you.
Love and take care of yourself.
I benefited from both reading mythology and high quality teachers in public school, Greg Boyd in college, seeing Jesus on cross in Ecuador, being part of inner city and then black church, fasting from Bible to ween me off of fundamentalist habits, writing theology, goin 2 sem
You are a brave man and I admire you. All the best to you and make it a nice rest of your life. Write a book please!!!
Thank you for sharing this, Dave. I know you’ll have received many replies but I wanted to let you know that this was something I could relate to and I felt sad reading it – both for us, and others. You’re not alone. I know you’ll make the most of life after this experience 💖
Things really changed for me when I realised and met people who, like you said, were more Christian than anyone actually Christian. It’s hard moving away from this when you have close family who are attached. Either way, you have a lot of support from others 😊
God being God..... He will reveal Himself to you in a new way.
Thanks for sharing your story, I can only imagine how hard it was.
I'm happy for you that you can now live life authentically for yourself.
Kia kaha!
WOW. You are rightfully brave, walking away from man-made religion. Faith in love works. Period. Opposite of love is Fear. Hate is man-made.
Hey there, welcome to the other side, where you will find peace, and see hypocrisy at its finest. It may not always feel ok, but that’s also years of undoing that needs to unwind itself...be patient!
You need to write a book on this!
Just 2 Questions...Did you EVER believe what you preached or was taught about God & the Bible? 2. At ANY point in your faith walk, did you have ever have a REAL encounter with GOD? Depending upon ur Y/N answers then, I understand your reasons to walk away & PRAY GOD FILLS UR VOID
When i stepped away from religion it was freeing, then existentially dreadful, and then I found peace. The world may be an uncaring abyss, but i could see it for what it was, and refound the value in action over prayers.
Also how much meaning something has if any, is mutable.
Congratulations 🎊🎉🍾🎈 Getting our saved my life. Enjoy your new found freedom.
Welcome. And may your life ahead be fulfilling and filled with joy and love.
The church is a construct of man. And alas, all around us we see how horribly broken man is. I am sorry that you are so pained by this. But you are light and love, and light and love are all around you. Continue to live your truth and you will be on the right path.
Interesting. I wonder if theres more people online who do this type of LARP.
I'm sorry to hear that, but I understand. I grew up Baptist and questioned it. After hearing an upper member of the church say that once saved, it was ok to be a child molester because you'd be forgiven, I gave up on it. I have found my faith again, but through a different branch
1/2 People who have ego driven agendas use deity(s) and religious texts to justify abusing and controlling others. The devout often accept only the tenants of faith they agree with and/or are personally beneficial.
Because there are people like you, who are willing to be good humans without dictates from the supernatural restores my faith in humanity. May you have a fulfilling, lovely journey.
Rather than give it all up, ask God to help you through this. Being a Christian is about helping others and going to church, but it’s mostly about your personal relationship with Christ. Don’t give up, but maybe change your approach. He loves you and will get you through this.
Thank you for this. I was raised in a fairly devout Baptist home, but I remember questioning a lot very early in my life. I have no idea why, but when I was 13, my parents gave me a choice to go to church or not. I never went back and I’m grateful I made that decision.
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Good for you Dave! Better late than never. Don't apologize for following your heart and knowing the truth. All Christians think they know how you should live your life, but only you know. Hope the best for you!
The problem is simple. You were a ‘titled’ member of the church but you did not KNOW God. It’s sad because NOBODY gets to experience his dumbfounding love and turn away.
Again, it’s not about the number of years but the quality time shared.
FYI, He still loves YOU regardless!
Stop fucking telling him was doing it wrong like he wasn't trying hard enough.
you should see this @DailyWireLive
Thank you for sharing. I had one semester of theology and the most memorable line from the teacher was: don’t analyze faith too much, else it goes away. Likely you are an analyzer, and there is absolutely nothing wrong with it, it’s just who you are. Good luck.
Welcome to the other side ❤️ Wishing you honesty, love, health and happiness
I'm so sorry. I hope you can find some comfort between the people that love you. I hope you can find a way, your own way to find peace and content.
You suddenly woke up from a religious and loveless life. Religion was your problem and no one actually taught you how to serve God for who he is. You literally served him for people and the benefits.
Check your mind Dave. I haven't done the half of what you have done that God filled me and shew to me the deepest thing. Ask for grace.
Congratulations mate. It obviously wasn’t easy, but you’ll be better for it’d. Thanks for sharing your story.
CONGRATS
follow your heart, you will not go wrong🙏🏽
understand 🙏🏽
I have learnt to serve God for who he is. I'm not some church conformist, I go to church, do my thing and do His will.
Quite the story Dave
I feel for u bud!!!
I'm sure there is much
of the personal content
u shared which many
of us can relate too
Only You can only
find Your Answer
No one can give
u a recipe for
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Very sorry for the pain
u went through
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#IGetIt
I'll just pray for you tonight. I hope you find peace in your heart. I really think you need it.
Don’t worry. Most of them claiming “Christian” aren’t even close.
Christians & evangelicals are different. You don’t need to give-up Christianity. If I agree with Christ’s teachings. However, evangelicals tout the Bible & instead of using it to inspire their lives they use it to control others, yet they live the opposite of what Christ teaches
Great thread 👍
Good for you, Religion isn't for everyone but I think some people can benefit...Religion can be a good thing to help people... but often times it is used to control and for evil.
Please also do know that religion is someone else’s beliefs imposed on ppl, spirituality is your own path to enlightenment.
I think the need to believe in a “higher power” or that one can only forge a “moral code” through faith and religion is a sign of mental illness...to varying degrees of course...I fear people who need god in order to be/do good...#JustMyTwoCents...
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Which God (god) were you serving. The father? Living God or gods or your needs took over your need to know Him better.
Reading Thus spoke Zarathustra. Very relatable to what you’re going through and how that applies to “New Age” ideology today... the idea that the only savior is yourself
I know you didn’t ask, but if you can read the Bible 40x, you know a thing or 2 about aphorisms. And this book, though obv not comparable to the Bible, though written by man.. lol has many that define reality as you presently view it
May 01, 2019 GOAT LUCY??? Can anyone explain to me what this Goat Lucy Symbolizes? Last year I got a link to Goat Lucy on Facebook. No one on FB responded to my inquiry as a result I have minimal posts on FB. However, I’m still in the DARK🤷🏽♀️ #exvangelical #christians #atheists
Well, keep us updated on your journey.. Good luck
Those who believe they believe in God, but without passion in the heart, without anguish of mind, without uncertainty, without doubt, and even at times without despair, believe only in the idea of God, and not in God himself.
—Miguel de Unamuno
Congratulations Dave. I’m sure your new start is scary, but you can remake your life however you wish! You are free!!!
I disagree. My brother is a living testimony
Congratulations man! Sounds like you are making big moves!
The true core of all religions is love your neighbors as yourself and do unto others as you wish for yourself. You don't need to belong to an organization to practice those.
Deut 30:19
This day I call the heavens and the earth as witnesses against you that I have set before you life and death, blessings and curses. Now choose life, so that you and your children may live .
The church is a hospital that has a lot of sick people. Unfortunately some of its leaders are also sick but that does not mean that Jesus the head of the Church has not healed many. Many experienced Jesus & I think they should share their experiences here.
God cannot change his standards because of your decision,He is still the greatest.
Abandon the church, and fall into the arms of God. Feel his loving embrace.
You’ve just discovered you we’re in the Matrix all the time, welcome to the real world!
I think some people need that belief and guidance, but other ones like me, are doing just fine without using guilt to determine our every action. #exvangelical
Regret nothing don't fake be sorry
Welcome to humanity. Religion can be a powerful force for good, but is often corrupted because people strive to control and dominate one another.
Congrats on getting out. Hit up a few atheist groups, they'll welcome you with open arms. Welcome to reality @DaveGass3
I’m sorry it was such a painful departure. I hope now you can live a good happy life, with or without faith in a higher power and without the judgement of others that is such a big part of organised religion. 🤗
I doubt you see this since I'm late to the party. But so much of your story resonates with me.
I walked away a year ago.
I understand starting over.
If you ever need to talk, I'm here.
#exvangelical
Now that you got that all off your chest, do you wanna drink microbrews and talk about outer space?
Good work! The whole concept of a sky-god is quite silly and primitive. The universe is a much more interesting place than some "man in the sky" rubbish. You are free now.
Another sad case of ego before order
I walked away at the age of 30ish. I feel more love and less guilt. I still have questions but none that a building with a "t" on top will solve.
I would consider going back if it didnt all seem so tainted. The most broken people I know are of faith and the kindest aren't.
Behold & look back no more until u realize ur mistakes sm of wch u allowed d world to chose God 4u as well handed u a worship manual when God Himself warned that; "know Me, b4 u worship Me, 4u not to worship wrongly wch exactly in ur case.
However, all hope is not lost. Cheers!
Read about islam my friend. Give it a try. May Allah guide you to the right track. Aameen.
@DaveGass3 I’ve read the Koran. No thanks.
@T0NIMARIETERRY @DaveGass3 Wasn't talking to you but thanks for trying to read Quran.
"The promises were empty. The answers were lies."
I'm surprised, given your capacity for insight and reflection, that it took you so long to squash that cognitive dissonance, but so glad that you finally did. Good luck with the job hunting & best wishes for a grand life, Dave.
I believe God Lives and May He touch your heart, erase your pain and heal your wounds.
Thank you for sharing. This is remarkably courageous and coming from a pure place. Welcome to the rest of your life. It will be rich and abundant because you put it all on the line. I wish you nothing but the best.
It's interesting you mentioned Greek mythology first... how many bible stories are directly plageorised from them alone...?
I feel this so much. My story wasn't so dramatic but was still life changing. Good luck man.
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“But for the joy set before him, he endured the cross.” Heb 12. As a pastor I’ve considered giving up as well but the Father keeps drawing me back in and I can’t walk away from His love. The church and Christians are messy but who isn’t? Don’t walk away, Jesus Cares deeply 4 u.
Have you tried being a Muslim even for a trial? Check out Islam and see if you can find some answers!!! @mediaiou @DrBilalPhilips @SaidRageah @muftimenk @DrIsaPantami
There are plenty of us who will support you with your decision. I hope that the rest of your life brings you much love and happiness - you deserve it.
Thank you for being open, honest, and vulnerable. The world needs more people like you. My hear goes out with you.
Much love.
Sorry for all you've been through. I only suggest, you yet see and receive the unconditional love of Christ to you. You may need to open up to senior ministers around you or contact @Creflo_Dollar @JosephPrince . You are still loved of God even now.
Be a good person instead.
I sympathize. I'm 50 but I didn't become an atheist until 42.
Daaamn Dude. What do you expect?
walkaway dave, find yourself
Dave, you are not alone, there are thousands upon thousands of us, it happened to me, took a while but the seed of doubt slowly grew, in the end I blamed myself for being sooo stupid, that took a while to get over.
Hi there DaveGass.. Welcome to islam welcome to Peace.. Hope you'ill get peace within in
Best wishes. I never suffered the misfortune of the burden of belief so I can't imagine what this must be like for you.
Read Jerry DeWitts book.
Welcome from the fold, Dave. I hope you find the next 40 years much more fulfilling than the first 40.
As a recovering catholic, I know it can take a while to realize we no longer buy the lies we tell ourselves.
Welcome!
Sorry to hear that! I’m keeping the faith. Struggles still exist but I for one know I’m much better off with the guide of the Holy Spirit. You know what that is and the fruit of the spirit is, right?
Do you strive to be a good person? If the answer's yes, there should be no religion that takes issue with you. If they do, they're fundamentally flawed and need to look at themselves.
Welcome to freedom, welcome to love, welcome to life; it's never easy, however, the struggle is so much less... Well that's how its worked out for me, anyway. Good luck to you.
Go back to school and become a geologist. Geology is very accepting of cast aways and misfits. You'll have to start drinking heavily, though.
I was raised an atheist by atheist parents, so I’ll never know how this feels like. But I have accompanied my partner through it and it’s so exhausting and painful for him and his family. It gets better though. All the love to you.
Just so you know, God is real. But you were looking in the wrong place. Keep following your heart and you won’t remain in the desert any longer than Jesus did. On the other side though, is something greater than the church. The entire Universe is LOVE: people, trees, rocks, etc.
My pastor cheated on his wife and honestly.. I think he did it because he didn’t know how to tell the congregation he wasn’t happy. I don’t hold I’ll feeling for him as I left after his departure. But what you said is true.
You have done the right thing- don’t doubt yourself. You can be an atheist but still be spiritual. If there is no afterlife, that means the one you have now IS WHAT MATTERS. Find your truth- listen to your inner voice and you will find true love in yourself and others.good luck
Wow. I wish you all the best. True love, peace and contentment.
Bravo Dave - I have Faith - I don't have Religion. You are not alone
Research real genuine Orthodox Judaism. The premises of Judaism answer all your questions on faith. There’s absolutely nothing that isn’t addressed in Judaic teachings.
God works. I’ve been sober 27 years. Churches will fail because imperfect humans are part of church. That’s where faith must override the poor action of others. Free will is rampant and faith will be had when letting go of the outcome is achieved.
I hope and pray that you'll find your way in believing.Experience God,or what name you wish to use,in your life. As a warm light, freely loving. Not dogmatic.
Time can soften sharp pains.I wish you guidance on your path.I believe you won't be alone
(S)he won't leave you, never!❤️
40 years is a long time. Dont regret it. You gave it to something that could have been great. If 10% of those folks gave what you did it would have been great. It was an honorable goal that you should be proud to work toward
Hooray for walking away from toxic religion, the world, law, the ego, false self or whatever we want to call it. Now you can experience Healing, the Christ, Zen, Love, the Supernatural, Spirit, the True Self, following Jesus, Being, Enlightenment or whatever we want to call it.
I've been an ex- Christian for 17 years. It is totally freeing. Plus due to my former devoutness I can call out hypocritical Christians daily, with scripture. It's a good thing.
we love you too, dude. hang in there.
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Just because it didn't work for you, doesn't mean it doesn't for others. You probably never had the calling to begin with. Peace be with you prodigal son 😖
you are loved
Cool story, bro.
I am glad you found the way :)
Dave, thanks for sharing your experience. It mirrors that of my wife and so many of my fundie friends. Congrats on joining the World. We have one shot at this life. Live it.
Cool story bro. How about a Pepsi?
Welcome to the light my friend! Open your eyes, breathe deeply and ACTUALLY feel what life on the planet means! I’m sure you will find more love than you thought possible when confined in the chains of religion. @SethAndrewsTTA has some great resources available. Cheers!
You weren't saved until you walked away from it. Xtianity is a lie, just like ALL religions. Just a bunch of bullshit to placate the masses, & make shitloads of money. Proud of you.
Evangelicalism is very scary looking from the outside with a lot of clear power dynamics reinforcing themselves in hurtful ways. No one outside of it has any real answers, either... those that do should be looked upon with suspicion. Love & thoughtfulness remain pursuable tho ❤️
DEAR MAN Of GOD, I am uncertain if I am understanding your words correctly, that you have lost your FAITH in Christianity? If this is so, please read my Twitter Tweets HEALING LOVE789
and Facebook Posts Timeline Pauline Zellner
GOD BLESS YOU.
check this out when you get a chance
Didn’t see it all but man, insanity.
I read it all and I’m blown away. Of course I have my opinion but it’s crazy just to read some of his thoughts
Wow! That’s actually heartbreaking. Also the folks in his mentions....😒
Dear Dave. I don't know you at all. I just read your thread by accident. It was interesting and reminded me of a chat I once had with a Burundian pastor. (By the way,even though grown up in a Christian culture - Switzerland - I am not religious. ) the guy asked me: "do you ...
I left the church in my 20s for lot of reasons, like how it treated the LGTBQ community and the open desire to subjugate women. Nothing I have seen since makes me anything but happy with my decision. The atheists are not the ones starting wars or shooting up houses of worship
Well done mate. Religion sucks
That was incredibly moving. I myself don't believe in God but you have nothing to be sorry about, we have to make the choices in life that make us feel whole, we can't always impress everyone but hey, us none God believers welcome you with open arms. 1/2
I sincerely hope you find your happiness and find your peace man. I can't imagine what you went through but hey, we are here for you.
Thanks for sharing this, Dave. I grew up in an evangelical church and had a similar experience. I wish you a quick path to healing. Love IS real.
I appreciate this thread, and you, so much. Can’t imagine how difficult it must’ve been to come to the realizations you have, and to share your experience openly. Your courage is awesome, and I wish you only the best from here - loving, living, and being your authentic self.
I found that the Evangelical Church does NOT represent Christianity.
The Bible speaks of the rise of a False Church and the Anti-Christ, the Deceiver.
I seriously think the Fake Church is the Evangelical Church.
I will not renounce my faith in God, just churches & Leaders.
... believe in God?" I said: " no, I don't. I believe in love." He said: "but that is the same." I just simply said: "no, it's not." until today I still feel that was right. "God" is a system with rules where someone says what is right and what not & I should behave accordingly.
Karl Marx said "religion is the opium of the people". Glad u got away from it.
Opiate, but yes.
Thanks for being bold enough, thanks
Welcome out of the fog.
this thread tho...
Wow. Makes me so glad I got out when I did. Everything is super good, but the 1 tweet in particular about it working best for those who take it the least serious is so true, I’ve been saying that for years.
Spent years sacrificing everything for the church while so many friends had sex with their girlfriends, went out and got drunk all the time, used the church to gain status and glory. And all I got from it was pain. This hits HOME.
Nothing but love and respect for you... those of us who’ve walked away know it was a very difficult path at first. It gets so much better and there is an authenticity to life.
But with "love" I can interpret myself, I can change, I can give and I can take. I have freedom. As long as I love. I think the journey that you have chosen is love and not any more God. I wish you a wonderful second half of life.
I came to a similar decision years ago, and I’ve never regretted it. You are not alone - there are lots of us out here to support you. Love and light to you on your journey. DM me anytime.
Where else can we go, for Christ alone is our life and God’s only sure answer to mankind. What shall separate us from the love of Christ....Shall trouble or hardship or persecution, or famine or nakedness or danger or sword? Nay in all these things we are more than conquerors..
Not at all easy to take on that kind of cognitive dissonance. I truly admire your bravery.
As a lapsed/cultural Catholic I found this thread incredibly moving.
Sorry but there is no true or false religion. If you combine philosophy and religious history you will realise christianity is stained with greek and roman religious practices. Creating one of the biggest dents in religion. Seek God not religion. Try being a perenoal philosopher.
I’m lucky that I decided that I didn’t believe in god when I was around 12-14 and didn’t have an overly religious family. If god is all powerful, why does it allow suffering? God never did explain that, and never acknowledged my existence or answered my prayers, not even once.
check out this thread
Interesting
Never met a Christian who could answer why an omnipotent and omniscient God needs to make a *Second* Covenant with man.
Reading your history I felt your pain, I believe in Jesus not in the man and all the institutions built around his faith. You deserve to have your own healing process. Don’t lose faith in GOD, Jesus is love and not the nonsense some men made us believe
We don't know each other, but the hardships of religion and religious work resonate with me. I hope you find peace, friend. 💛
Welcome to a life with far less hypocrisy. Good choice.
Your entire thread is giving more value to the quote “many are called few are chosen” think about it for a sec, are you giving up on the church or the God you believe in?
Congratulations! You have just freed your mind ––and your soul–– to the real beauty and magic of the Universe!
must read
Stop telling him he wasn't doing faith right.
He was. He just couldn't play make believe anymore.
He's become an actual adult now and he's responsible for all his mistakes and all his glories.
And you haven't seen miracles.
You've just touched the walls of your ignorance.
Such honesty takes a lot of courage. Be reassured that your earlier point about the world being full of “good though Godless” people was always true. I hope you can find peace somewhere. Please accept these 🤗🤗🤗🤗🤗 xxx
A personal relationship with God supersedes any work you'd do for Him. You should have one with Him.
a must read
Can you publish this a document form? It should be shared on every platform.
please save a brother!
Welcome to the other side, Dave. You'll hopefully find many friendly, helpful heathens among our number.
Been there, done that.
You'll be fine.
Love and respect to you brother. I'm glad you are finding yourself. It takes strength and courage to speak what's really in your heart. I too walked away from religion. And I hate people a lot less because of it
Read your thread, Dave. I've added a comment or two, but someone else made the best one: it's great to be authentic at last. Stick with it! You are not alone.
Manmade religion, invented to control and abase people. Good on you.
Well done! Congratulations on acting on your conviction rather than cultural convention.
Proud of you. It’s not easy to leave it behind. But it was so healthy for me and I wish you the best. #exvangelical
#FringeChristians that one! You keep around to make every body happy and refuse to ask the difficult questions. That way you live a happier life.
In the end we all make "Pascal's Wager", we can change our bet but only flip the coin but once, stay well friend and I hope you find that which you seek
This is the most honest thread I’ve ever read. I read the entire thing. I commend you for your vulnerable honesty and hope you can be role model for others who have also been disillusioned, yet are fearful ❤️
I hope you find your truth❤️
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you have to read this...
In all that time you never worked out that it does not matter what you call yourself and the only thing that counts is how you actually live your life?
In all you lacked the guidance of the Holy Spirit. You were doing this on your own strength.. The fact that you did all you have stated doesn't mean u have a relationship with Christ. Sorry
I feel this whole thread so hard! Peace and love to you.
You finally saw the light!
I'm not that much into religion, I shook it off a long time ago. So I can't say anything about the rightfullnes of your decision, but you had the guts to take it, and you knew what the consequences would be, and for that your earn my respect. 💪💪💪
You're not alone. Your story is shared by SO many. <3
I am still a Christian. Follow me with love. I will follow you back with happiness...
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What we experience during our spiritual journey is the real wisdom. Happy exit.
Thankyou for your share: remember “I spent my entire life serving, loving, and trying to help people in my congregations” This is a GOOD thing. Change the drivers and beliefs that underpin this yes; but maintain this action. God knows the world needs it.
Good for you! 👍👍👍
👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼 It takes a strong person to do what you did. True love between family and friends doesn’t depend on religious beliefs. You’re either a good person or you’re not. I know you are one of the good ones. The second half of your life will be amazing, I just know it.
For the people that go victim blaming in defense of their precious faith... Do you realize you are the exact reason for having a crisis of faith?
Let the man search his own path since yours have failed him. If it works for you, great, pray SILENTLY for him.
Congratulations!!! Now you are free to have your own thoughts.
Fuck all the holy rollers. There is no god. But there are many kind and understanding people who will accept you as you are. Congratulations on your freedom.
I don't need to read this. You weren't Christian to begin with.
Such a brave, honest, validating thread. I appreciate you sharing your journey and awakening. You are a brave soul. 🙏🏼
Congratulations. Soon you will find true peace
Holy Spirit, please take control of your son, we commit him and everything going on around him into your able hands in Jesus mighty name, Amen.
Welcome to the other side. I don't envy your struggle to get here or the speed bumps you'll continue to meet... like people trying to guilt you back into faith. Just keep doing what you're doing: being brave and your whole, genuine self. You have a community here with you.
I walked away in 1989. It took me several years to be comfortable with who I was. Congrats and welcome to the club.
Sorry but your first sentence made me laugh 😁
Thank you for your honesty and courage to walk away from despicable religion and into the clear air of reason. The journey has been hard for many before you, and many more will follow, but know that the hardships are worth it.
It takes years to leave properly, because your brain has to rewire itself from the thought patterns and beliefs that have been imprinted on it. 5 years from now you'll still find yourself reflexively praying in bad situations. Exiting is a long journey but it keeps getting better
Be also be ready to give an account of your service on earth when the time comes.
No banal “well done, congratulations” from me. Akin to congratulating someone for dressing themselves. “Better late than never” more appropriate. This new world you find yourself in is in fact the old one that was there all along. You’re now better equipped to exist in it.
Thank you for this thread!
Religion is BONDAGE, Religion is tantamount to SLAVERY, Religion is wrong in every sense of it.
But Jesus did not leave us religion, He condemned the religious men, He gave us Christianity.
A little bit of history: The Roman leader, Emperor Constantine between 306....
and 337 AD. Emperor Constantine seeing that Christianity cannot be stopped, the more you killed them the more they increased, decided to swallow Christianity by mixing it with their traditional Roman Religion. If you have watched "Avengers Age of Ultron", when Ultron saw that...
It could not destroy Jarvis, it decided to swallow it but one thing was sure, Jarvis was in there.
Now, the Roman's thinking they have killed Religion with what they did, decided to spread their Religion as Roman Catholic having all the practises of a traditional Roman religion.
From attire to order of "celebration".
Little did they know that Jesus was using them to spread himself because wherever they went, they carried Jesus and it was just a matter of time.
With Religion came colonisation, Slave trade, discrimination even among brothers.
So you are right to condemn Religion. But this is where you got it wrong, "CHRISTIANITY IS NOT A RELIGION" "CHRISTIANITY IS NOT CHARACTER MODIFICATION"
WHAT THEN IS CHRISTIANITY? CHRISTIANITY IS GOD IN A MAN!
Jesus gave us himself.
The only difference between a Christian and
an unbeliever is LIFE. And this life is the life of Christ. THE GOD IN A MAN. So going to church to look for miracles is wrong, Ba Jesus in the bible was performing miracles was he a Christian? We go to church so we can hear and hear again the word of God to strength us in the
Faith. If you go to church for materials things you will most likely be dissapointed. You don't need Jesus to be rich, you don't need Jesus to have children(harlots are throwing babies) but without Jesus you do not have LIFE. The only thing He promised us, Eternam LIFE!
So much to say...Don't confuse Jesus with Religion. There's no Jesus in any Religion!
You must feel like you have dropped a gigantic rock from your shoulders.
Just be like me, love Jesus, don't go to church(for the same reasons you already put) and love EVERYONE. That's all that matters at the end of the day. You don't have to live a life you're not happy with. Welcome to our side, the side that really loves everyone.
Redemption is not a religious term..only one co-opted by religion.
You are beginning the path to healing and true self worth if that is what you seek.
May your journey be full of light, love and wonder as you witness all this world and universe has to offer.
Dave, meet @jonjones Dave, I've read Jon's book and you might find solace in his experience too. I don't know what the future holds for you but I do know there are a lot of people in this world who have become disillusioned at all organized religions. amazon.com/How-Escaped-Ev…
Lot of people here in your mentions who seem to think they can read your mind over the Internet & accuse you of bad faith. I'm just a random person standing up to say that I believe you. You know best about your own experiences, and I wish you peace and hope from now on.
There are thoughts to bring clear sight
Thinking good makes for strong heart
Nourishment for spirit and soul
A good path a good way to give
Belief creates what we believe
Good words
Good thoughts
Good actions
A way human beings live ,.. John Trudell
I'm not surprised by ur experience, you were sold a very false manuscript of what it entails to be a christain nd follower of christ. Jesus said if they persecuted me they would also persecute you..its not roses but thorns to follow Jesus sincerely.
TRy visiting sspx.org , locate their chapels and interact with any of their priest. You will find answers to most of your questions
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Thank you for sharing your journey 💕 There are many people who will find solidarity in this.
Also Christians, stop with the “you weren’t really a Christian” or the “you didn’t know the *real* Christianity” guff - it’s patronising, rude and ironically a denial of our realities.
I walked away many years ago in my twenties. I started questioning everything, and nothing made sense. I God shopped in many different faiths finally came to realize that I didn’t need a “god” to be good I’m good because I choose to be, not because I’m afraid of what comes after.
I grew up very religious, but I also received my anxiety from the church. I couldn’t understand why kids I went to school with were bad outside of the church and bullied but then forgiven and never punished. I saw more of the business side as I grew up. 1/
I couldn’t and still don’t understand why churches who are to be so holy and righteous of just “God” himself held people to a certain price of what they made at their jobs and practically shunned them when they couldn’t afford tithes or offerings. 2/
I see it at my job of people who make only 25k a year and struggle but then 5k is donated to the church. But for what? I see my aunt who is on very fixed income pressured to purchase a real tree for her church every year. 3/
When my family left the church I noticed we became happier because we followed our hearts to help others. Not a narcissistic being who must be worshipped.
You, are not alone. <3
You believe faith in God doesn't work? Before you give up on God. Think about the so many people whose lives has been transformed by God. 💔💔
I have not ever felt the peace I feel as an agnostic. And some of the best people I know are atheists. Some of the most horrible, abusive, manipulative people I have known are Christians.
This thread really resonates with me in a lot of ways. I feel like I went through a (far far less intense) microcosm of this in my teenage and high school years.
I'm lucky enough to have parents supportive that I didn't have to deal with that whole aspect of it, but I've never really got over having intense imposter syndrome driven into my from the very beginning.
*supportive enough
May you be able to find peace in your new journey and path! To those saying he wasn’t faithful enough and that he was focused on the people: your system isn’t perfect. It will not work on everybody. We all walk a unique path.
Have noticed how many likes and retweets you've attracted by stating that you're walking away? If your tweet was the reverse, that you've found reinforcing evidence why you should cling to Jesus do you think you'd get same response?
Doubting isn't inherently a bad thing if the essence of doubt is the quest for truth in order to believe or disbelieve like Thomas the twin. God reveals himself to those who seek him. I once doubted and searched, I too found God. I pray that you find him too.
But be careful when the world applauds you for this your decision it is an indication that it may not be the right decision. An atheist once asked a Christian who God was, he responded by asking the atheist whom are you denying the atheist was quiet and pensive. God shows himself
To those who genuinely seek to know him in Christ not those who go in search of flaws in the religion. Once more, may He show you mercy and reveal Himself to you.
@DaveGass3 To be honest, I don't see why anyone she get worked up. That's his tweet and life
Up. The peace and joy comes from Christ Himself. Not any system people have made around His teaching. He even said Himself many will perform miracles in His name but in the end He will have to say, "I never knew you".
The whole thing is based on relationship with Him.
Dave.. I wish you good luck.but I’m certain you will do another thread telling us how u walked away and Jesus found you.I hope your book sell a million copy when you finally get back. Then you will believe in miracle... Mind you. Pole hurt you Not Jesus the Christ
please find time to read this thread about falling out of church n maybe out of faith.
@Chrisvianney2 @DaveGass3 Not gonna argue against a person's personal experience.
This is not peculiar to the church though. It's the same with every religion. There are way too many inconsistencies.
That said, I believe in a Creator and I don't care whose myths or history anyone chooses to belive.
Walking away from the church is hard. You’re not alone and we have your back.
If you faint or hive iPhone in the dsys of adversity, your strength is small! Hang in there and work out your salvation! It's not over till you win!
This is wonderfully honest. Blessings on the next part.
Dave! Welcome to the party. Reality is so much better than the fantasy world of belief and religions and cultures. That you lived in your cell for so long may very well set you up for a freedom many can’t even wish for. Welcome to life!
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Brave thread.
Truth and doing the right thing are always the most difficult, I hope the pain of your experiences one day pass.
Wishing you peace, love and happiness in your new life.
You might want to follow @C_Stroop
You are valid, and I hope you find more people who love you for you.
I understand completely. My eyes have seen a new light.
I read the entire thread, and you are right, the "system" doesn't work, because as you perfectly said, you were depending of people and not Jesus. I'm pretty sure that I'm right, since no one can be lost if Jesus saved him. I trust that God will use this in your life to know him
Reading this thread... 1 thing that comes to mind is not by works but by grace thru faith...
Faith doesn’t often make sense to us
I have no idea what you’re going thru but I know there’s a God who loves you. I pray He wraps His loving arms around you & heals you from the hurt...
Leave him for now...this is pure strategy to weaken people's faith. Whatever he claimed he was before now wasn't being a Christian.
I don’t know what the strategy is and I don’t know what he’s going thru.
There’s nothing wrong with religion to make you a better person and better understanding of life. And there’s nothing wrong with not needing religion to do the same
Good luck to you man. I still have some of my faith but I'm leaning away from it personally. Best of luck on your journey.
This story is incredible. Some people won't understand, some will understand parts. But it is your personal story, and I thank you for sharing.
Let me ask. Could it be that growing up as a "Christian" you had some expectations which were never met? Were you serving him with your head or with your heart? It's difficult to have your expectations met if you didn't have an encounter, I mean, a personal encounter with Jesus.
Thanks for sharing your story. I hope many others who are unfulfilled by the church and it's rotten bologna will be inspired to break free
Religion is opium for simple people
Thank you so much for being brave enough to face this issue, and to speak out about it. It is heartening in so many ways, and I hope your life and your road keep getting better.
Impossible
I'm sorry you had to go through this.
Thank you for this thread...i hope it helps people...you have support I promise
Jesus H. Christ Dave, you practically wrote a bible here on twitter. Just repeat after me, “Religion is horseshit, and when we die, that is where it ends.”. Find a blackboard and write it 100 times. That will make you an official atheist. Where can I send the certificate?
Looks like you had a great understanding of religion and scripture but not once did you mention having a relationship with God. We live in a fallen world and no one is immune from that.
New follow, and as believer with no faith, I applaud the path you chose. Not because it follows with my beliefs, but because it’s what you believe. You’ll always find love and friendship here without any pressure or chains of faith.
welcome to your truth & may you find light in it
Heart touching and thoughtful. Cc @Sansdieux
How DARE some of you suggest that he didn't pray enough, trust, turn his marriage over to Jesus enough.
It sounds to me that this is all he's tried to do in his life. You aren't hearing his pain. Show him some empathy without blame. Just LOVE and HEAR him for goodness' sake.
That's quite a thread. I have seen others go through the same and as a child I knew one vicar that freely admitted to me that it was all the load of superstitious nonsense. He stayed in the job though as he thought he was helping people who needed it without preaching too much.
(Possibly sensitive)
I hope you have an encounter soon
Good for you.
Your life is yours to decide. Don't mind other people. It's you who will live your years, not them.
A recovering Catholic myself. Good on ya
Join Orthodox, it is a good one.
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