I just don't understand why it feels like I should feel bad for just writing the CSS that I need. :| Best practices don't work also seems like an oddly recursive statement for a library that presents itself as a new best practice. *shrug* Oh well.
I have a vision - a world where some folk use Tailwindcss, others use Sass, and between them a rich vein of standard CSS writers. Tools and creators all flourishing together in peace and harmony. Join me friends, we can make it a reality. No more straw-man attention seeking✌️
I agree. I don't understand why many people want to make Tailwind THE ultimate tool that will save you from the CSS hell. They need to really calm down.
Why fighting with "vanilla CSS writer"? use your tool and be productive but don't start a useless war.
hate != critic. Tailwind like any other tool will get a lot of critics. I remember the time where jQuery was so popular and everyone was using it like a magic tool but still a lot of people where against it
Nowadays, jQuery is less popular and many are getting back to vanilla JS
This is Toxic Positivity right here. As @ChallengesCss already put it well, critique is not hate. dev.to/cher/sexism-ra… Critique != negativity. Labelling everything that is not supportive as hate is toxic positivity.
Except in a debate, critique is mounting an offense against the other side. In which lies the answer to "why are some tailwind enthusiasts so defensive". PS: I literally see every day posts of "I hate tailwind".
The posts of "I hate CSS" are much more. Let's not forget the never ending memes around "centering in CSS" (something well documented everywhere). Those are not to consider, they are not constructive. It's the frustration of lazy people that don't want to do the effort to learn.
Debate methodology is misplaced in every day discourse. I also don't expect you to have a systemic attitude, just because I part of my studies is systemic epistemology. Debates have opponents, fights and victories. If you relate to critique as offence, the war lives in you.
I think Tailwind CSS is great. It feels more like a Centralized style.css that I can just share with my friends and forget about it and they can understand and make changes . If they have some doubts they can read the docs and solve it . They may not be as good as me in CSS
I like Tailwind because it's easy and I get to do more faster and be lazy. I like CSS because I can do ANYTHING with it with enough effort. But the best part is that I can mix and match these two in whatever way I want! :)
If you’re a CSS expert, tailwind is just decent shorthand you have to re-learn and a relatively loose style system good for prototyping, not zen mode. The idea that you can’t iterate quickly with your own CSS is tailwind marketing.
Everyone is missing the point here. Would you like to see you child learning how to use a calculator to be "more productive" instead of learning the basic of math?
People are inviting other to drop learning CSS and jump into using Tailwind "blindly". This is a red flag for me.
Since @threepointone let you down gently I’m going to throw hands a bit.
You are the problem here. Get over yourself and your weird preferences and deluded “there are no haters! Just people who agree with me” bullshit. 🚩🚩🚩
I don’t like changing my mental model, so I decided to not learn the new things that make other developers more productive.
If you don’t like Tailwind that’s fine. Publicly talking shit on something you haven’t used tho? 🚩🚩🚩
(Context: I’m an ex-Tailwind hater. Get over it.)
yeah I’ve seen shit tons of anti tailwind discourse, lots of it from fairly prominent personalities in the community. I’m not going to qt here, but I’m surprised to hear you say you haven’t seen it. It’s a meme at this point.
Ollie I’m not making this up. These are the same folks who hounded mine (and others) work on css in js, so much so I abandoned the one popular library I’d built and cherished because of the drama that came with it. Trust me when I say I keep a close eye on these things.
I’ve definitely seen people in the CSS community shitting on Tailwind. On the other hand I’ve had plenty of TW enthusiasts mansplain and belittle me for daring to have a nuanced opinion about it. I respect the tool, but there’s an element of the TW community that feels very toxic
I see a multiple tweets a day defending CSS from scores of Tailwindcss zealots, but see no zealots. Tailwind is fine - but yeah of course CSS will outlive it. Meanwhile lots of people are finding value in it so…
Tailwind isn’t an attempt to “fix” CSS, it’s just a shortcut for generating the exact same CSS you would otherwise be writing by hand (like I used to) if you believe in the architecture.
CSS the language is great, Tailwind is just a way to use it.
Tailwind is not in any way at all an alternative to CSS, it's an alternative CSS architecture.
More than anything Tailwind is just a recommendation for what a CSS class should include and how it should be named. It could be a blog post instead of a framework.