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The most articulate take on #Brexit is actually this FT reader comment today.
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There are too many drama queens around. nothing of this will happen!
you have a low IQ.
Maybe you are the one with a low IQ. Put things in perspective if you are that clever!
Neatly reinforcing the point of facts bouncing off myths.
True. On the other hand, the Brits have escaped the suffocating regulations of an unelected bureaucratic elite.
Bill, you clearly know nothing about the British civil service. It's a trade, not an escape.
One step at a time. The Brits threw of socialism once, they can do it again. Have faith in freedom.
socialism? I thought it was to throw of neo liberalism. So what is it now?
we have loads of freedoms thanks. Less after last night sadly.
tell me what more freedom you have if you are a yank.
yeah vacuum and toasters regulations. But not really that intrusive.
People who don't know what "socialism" actually means are a disgrace to those who had to live under it.
We need more not less socialist policies almost all our socialist policies are UK highlights.
And the next step is to throw out their homegrown bureaucratic elite. Central planning doesn't work.
How does that help the young people of Britain or don't you give a shit and that is why you voted leave?
The U.K. needs a Thatcher, not a nanny. The biggest threat to the young is entitlement democracy.
Oh God. You bloody conservatives and your bondage mistress fantasy woman. Get over it.
Not a conservative. A libertarian. Get used to it.
The lesser of the species.
u cant be a libertarian if u are against democracy
you misspelled spoiled, clueless 10 year old with a sense of entitlement. Proofread please
It was old people who voted out, the ones greedy for a bigger NHS, with old-style pensions.
Yes. And now it's time for the youth of the world to rise and say - your entitlement days are over.
"Spot the Contradiction," we have a winner!
Things have to get worse before they get better. Millennials need serious shock therapy, and will get it
Great. Destabilize Europe and create conditions for another war. That'll learn the little bastards.
You mean, when they come off the Mobile, they've got energy left for all this? @taylor_jlt @BillFrezza @nicoleperlroth @qhardy
Whereas libertarians just need therapy.
Can you talk without tickling your nipples, with your head that far up your arse?
and you need to successfully complete your primary grades
I don't know why people want to make things hard for Millennials and then get mad when they're upset
Shock therapy shouldn't be causing a historic drop in currency value and just expecting Millennials to deal
Especially when many of those Millennials voted AGAINST this very thing happening.
spoken with true arrogance. Millennials already know they are being ripped off by your gen
as a US citizen I think it's great... you should never be controlled by unelected officals
Yes, the USA, the best democracy that money bought. Owned by the CEOs, certainly not the people
good thing we're not a democracy
The youth are the ones use to being entitled.
Yeah, I retweeted him thinking that is what he meant. Freaking Brats.
But they didn't rise to the challenge. Low turnout rates amongst the young, but it's "not my fault". Classic.
I think my irony meter just exploded. The youth of the world speaking about "entitlement" ?
sure it wasn't your two brain cells being required to think?
Are we both living in the same world? The 18-25 yo demographic of today have better mobility
perhaps not now you lot have peed in the soup.
Oh please, the world isn't going to end, we're not suddenly going to end up in mud huts.
You've never been to Dorset then?
I'm next door to it, and I can safely assert we live in houses.
Glad to hear it. Mind you if you didn't the National Trust would pay good money for huts
Tell me, is it hard to breathe in the smug where you live? *grins*
Nope. I love watching people exercise their democratic rights to be stupid.
Better life opportunities, better options, and better support than even I did 15 yrs prior
Oh cry me the Bay of Biscay.
And you have the brass balls to suggest they need to lecture people about entitlement?
no. It would be called freedom of speech, pillock.
Oh sure, but considering most of these plonkers didn't vote, frankly they don't *deserve* it
No. But given the value wiped out of shares etc perhaps others do.
Oh please, shares have already recovered and the currency has stabilised. Next ignorant bit?
For the moment. This party hasn't started yet.
Their voting turnout in this referendum was sub 40%, how about, they get off their ass.
were they riding donkeys at Blackpool then?
Well they sure as hell weren't voting.
How about, they participate like actual citizens in the democratic process hm?
they did you berk just outvoted by the prostatariat .
See the stats, 18-25 yo turnout - between 36-43%, -way- below the national average
had they, y'know, come out in the right numbers, this may be a very different result
honestly don't know why you bothered. What is the nett gain?
Self determination, and preserving what little democracy we DO have left.
That'll keep you warm at night.
Worth the cost to me, principles are something I won't compromise on. What about you?
Certainly. But principles are deuced expensive.
I am poor, and I am willing to *die* for my principles. What about you?
May be tricky for you to understand, I guess you never served your country.
Sorry. 5 years in what you call the Territorials to pay for University.
Then you should understand why my principles matter to me as they do.
Indeed. We just have a different view.
My choice was based on the understanding that leaving the EU is going to cost, and there are significant risks.
Fine. Both eyes open.
I see those risks and costs as "acceptable" because in the long term we regain and retain things which you simply cannot value.
It's very easy to say "The economy lost so and so bn", and it's easy to say "Our currency has dipped due to us leaving"
or 350m will go back into the NHS.
Well I don't truthfully think most people -believed- the politicians, or at least took them at face value.
In the UK we've a proud tradition of telling our MP's to get bent ever since the expenses scandal.
But when the European Commission (who is elected by absolutely nobody) is now tracking proposals for a pan European Army
A step up from NATO? And no-one voted for the House of Lords or Mrs Windsor.
One that will answer to the "EU" and not to any sovereign nation, and thus be unaccountable to any elected government
And Rupert Murdoch.
You need to start asking some serious and searching questions about the direction that power is travelling
I do and I don't really like any that chase power for its own sake such as Gove, Boris, Farage etc
All politicians are the same, but as stated, we can at least vote -our- ones out from time to time. Euro Commission is insulated
you can vote out MEPs?
MEP's have no legislative power. They cannot create directives, only the commission can do that.
Commission is not elected by democratic process, is all done internally by the mandarins.
True enough. Well good luck and all that. I'm watching with interest (as a former Brit who escaped prior to Thatcher).
Let's see, ex mil, ex-pat, escaped prior to Thatcher, Spain or France?
Australia.
Fair enough. Take care.
You too. Nice having a natter.
Do I expect it to be rosy? Absolutely not, there's going to be a rocky road ahead. But I'd rather it be one of our making.
that is to your credit but I cannot see the political classes taking any responsibility or doing heavy lifting.
If they don't the Conservatives will be obliterated in the next GE. Basically the next few years will either define or bury them
ok. Signing off now - battery dying.
Rather than it be one where Brussels steamroller Europe into a paste, using the EU army to put down dissent (and it will)
All whilst other countries meekly watch Greece slowly collapse and lose what little infrastructure it has left.
So you tell me, what would you prefer? An organisation that sacrifices a country for a currency, or our lot, bent as they are?
Those who govt as exercise of responsibility and not power.
Any organisation that's willing to turn a country into a third world mess to protect their vanity currency, rather than (1/2)
(2/2) let said country out of the currency to straighten their affairs and get back to some kind of normality is in it for power
I might not -like- our politicians, but at least we can vote the buggers out when we get bored of them. Try that with Junker.
My family has service in the blood, sometimes there are things that are worth the cost.
please take me off this thread.
Done so, but why? Scared of seeing a UK leave voter that challenges your preconceptions? *playful*
No, fine with that and your typical preconceptions about me. I'm on vacation and getting 100s of these.
What can I say? The 'net centered journalists who base out of San Fran all tend to speak a lot but say very little. *cheerful*
You work for the NYT though, so I'll credit you for working for a publication I do respect. Cookie for that. *grin*
I get that the San Fran press bunch is one giant echo chamber so opinions outside of your assumptions scare you, but still!
My Granda was Brit Army RSM in WWII- we have a service ethic too and my son's interested
I know that's a tricky concept for you to grasp, I'm guessing you're a millenial.
Nope. Guess again pussy.
Oh. The Xbox live crowd, right, a teenager. That saves me time and effort.
What are those? I prefer a 4wt fly rod and intelligent conversation.
Anyone who uses the word "pussy" as an attempted insult on twitter falls into that bracket.
I was guided by your handle and avatar
I'm sure you were. Any other insights?
I think you are well meaning.
But hey, so far the only response you've got is "IT'S NOT FAAAAIR" *cry*
I think Boris the Buffoon and Farage are maybe thinking that.
Nigel perhaps, Boris is simply not dancing on Dave's still warm corpse.
Farage does not possess the power of thought. Boris is holding a dead baby.
We'll see. Time will prove one of us right.
it is certainly an interesting time.
THEN they might have the right to voice an opinion. Until then? "Fuck. Right. Off."
Good. Follow your advice.
Ever heard of the EU law on Procurement of healthcare.Thats privatisation of the NHS
If we would have stayed in the EU there wouldn't be an NHS.
There are more than two "sides" to this debate. Many correctly voted Leave for the wrong reasons.
please take me off this thread.
those greedy old people!
please take me off this
I'm not old and I voted out. Also a lot of younger people I know in their 20's voted out
cut out the granny bashing!
U mean "Old People" who made Britain Great in the 1st place? My GOD! Think of U'r heritage!
What about when YOU'RE old? The old farts did u a favor. Now u might be able to retire 1 day
and Farage wants to "reward" them with a privatised insurance figure...it's on record.
am 24 and I voted leave and proud
there's no accounting for young and stupid.
My brain is depreciating more and more the longer I study
STUPID Is still crying over it its happing time to come back together as 1 proud #LeaveEU
stupid is believing idiots like Farage.
well thats a matter of opinion again STUPID!!! Is believing everything you say is right
or supporting Middlesbrough
we are out 😊🇪🇺 back to great Britain Your showing your self up now go away and cry
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Ever heard of the House of Lords?
You seemed to have an issue with unelected people.
Oh, and your National Anthem asks an unelected person to hang around and reign over you, so...
It's your song pal. I'm not carrying that one for you. But if they don't how does Europe?
All those old people who weren't around prior to the EU and don't have grandchildren. Wait..
FFs! "Entitlement democracy"? You want to see entitlement in action look at the super rich.
crikey welcome to the jungle
Except Bill has blocked me and it's no fun anymore.
How did Bill arrive at such opinions - I'm intrigued - perhaps some childhood trauma?
Childhood trauma consisted of LBJ, Nixon, Carter.
senility usually has different symptoms. Try again
One of these things is not like the other...
I remember those times here uk, re war Vietnam, plus media fairy tales... as it turned out
Maybe his Mummy dressed him funny. Or shot his hamster.
Wahh wahh somebody call the wahmbulance!
I couldn't give a crap about 2.7trilion in losses caused by conservatives
or moronic libertarians who cry and go home when challenged.
....but the $18 trillion loss courtesy of the Democrats: you'll give them a pass.
and what did GWB do with the Clinton era surplus?
Well one thing's for sure: GWB didn't use it to get blow jobs from WH interns.
no. He had Karl Rove to do that.
From the duodenum of dementia.
Coming from a star-spangled amoeba that is somewhat ironic.
Pretty rich coming from a fossilized pissflap like yourself, btw.
huh?? "blah-blah-blah-BLAH-blah-blah-blah!" Sounds like SOMEONE needs a bowel movement.
The way u come off, it appears it wld be u! My suggestion, prunes 2 go with that puss of urs! #bahahahaha 😄😃😂😁
yes. And I just went and "gave birth to a conservative"
The wisdom of a toilet bug.
EAT SHIT YA FUCKIN DINK, YOU N DAVID FRUM LINE UP AND OPEN YER MOUTHS N EAT MY GREASY SHIT
of the young?! Benefit preservation for the OLD was a red line issue here.
Correct.
That's exactly the problem we face w/the Democrats here in the US.
Yep. Brexit is all Obama's fault. I got the memo. #sockpuppet
Thatcher was very much a nanny centraliser, don't you think? (sic) ;-)
You sir are an idiot and as a yank have NO SAY!
Say, by evading the fate of unemployed Spanish youth?
how does the march towards a soviet state protect the future?
A United States of Europe
Two world wars, and still we get a dictatorship in Europe. ~ Expand for links ~ Website: http://www.rockingphilosophy.com Facebook Page: https://www.facebook...
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you may have missed the memo but a lot of people died for a united Europe.
They can still Travel
That's PROPAGANDA
Proper gander or a polite duck?
you children say the cutest things. I take it you found someone old political posters
big is bad!
how well does elite private planning work for the many?
much more stupid to leave it to the market!
The European Parliament is an elected body of politicians. Nigel Farage sat on it in every sense.
oh that outweighs it all. Woopey-doo 🙄
Do you know that there are elections for the UE parliament?
But the ones making the decisions are NOT. Your MEP can do NOTHING to contest an EU law
You mean the UK MEP that happily voted about 95% of them?
The why have one? Or the veto?
It is all bureaucracy, we COULD veto, but how do you think that would make the EU feel.
more bloody minded than it is already.
voting for people we've never heard of.
That's your problem. I always try to find out who the candidates are.
well done you! I'm sure every resume is a crisply honest document.
Aristotle said it best, small communities with local control
Aristole was a primitive in a time of slaves, w/o jets or antibiotics
and we live in a age when the average attention span is that of a gold fish
pretty sure they admit he was a super genius
He was. (But Re: government, the world is different.)
not really, democracies, dictatorships, and republics. Same shit diff day.
but... He wasnt aware of republics yet (roman republic wasnt premier)
Exactly
yeah it was like 50 yrs later pyrrus "won" against rome.
but the maxim is still true - local control is best control.
prezactly. Behemoths are deleterious and intimidating.
your input means more when its local control
but people still basically the same in many respects.
that does not mean he is not still relevant or correct.
just for Cameron to resign and an unelected bureaucratic elite lead instead...
I clearly rember voting and electing MEPs. I don't remember electing House of Lords though...
and the House of Lords is what, exactly?
no they haven't. They've just lost their voice in what those regulations might be.
Bollocks.
Er, House of Lords?
Have you ever had to deal with the U.K. Civil Service? Doubt it, as they make the EU look efficient.
The bureaucratic elites ruling Britain were elected. They can be unelected, as they were before.
Civil Service is not elected, bureaucrats are not politicians. Seriously, you're embarrassing yourself.
Civil servants can be dismissed by determined elected officials. See air traffic controllers.
That's a college kid answer, based on idealism more than fact. Have you ever seen 'Yes, Minister'?!
Explain Thatcher. Britain was in a deeper cesspit when she was elected. Today's repair job is easier.
Are you kidding? We're being ripped from a union which was central to repairing the damage she did!
I can't fix central planning madness in 140 characters. Have a nice life. Consider moving to Paris.
Central planning? Mate, our politics is devolved. Do you really have your own radio show?! 😂
Ha, thanks but I'll have to pass. Enjoy your weekend ☺️
Ah yes, Paris. Less sand in which to bury one's head.
I'm sorry but it's clear you have no understanding of the reality of UK politics or society.
The masters of the financial universe sure demonstrated that they understood British politics, huh?
Was that the point I was making? No. Straw men don't fly with me.
I can't fix that in 140 characters. Have a good weekend.
Not sure how the two are related but thanks for reading my blog post, that's me up to 17 views now ☺️
And elected politicians from the member states or the EP appoint the EU civil servants. Same thing.
Give 'The Thick of It' a watch, it explains it beautifully to those unfamiliar with the British system.
Lastly, we do have elected reps in EU. They're called MEPs & UK has 73 of them.
The real power lies with the commission which is unelected.
And they don't have any fucking power to change laws! Try researching for yourself FFS!!
Ironic then the number of people who voted in this referendum yet admitted to never having voted before
So you don't plan on doing any trade with the EU again? Because their regs aren't going anywhere.
Only those selling into the EU will need to comply with the regulations not all as now.
Which apart from the most local industries, is almost everyone.
And all the workers rights, consumer rights, environmentel protections...
not really the coalition government wasn't elected. Nor was Brown b4 them. We still need a PM
UK was also involved n writing those regulations.Let's not forget that!
True. The disease is widespread and needs to be eradicated at the roots. Gotta start somewhere. Think big.
like the House of Lords?
The House of Lords was long ago limited to impotent blowhard status. Like Hollywood celebrities.
Still blocks many bills from going into law. Not that impotent!
what's unelected about MEPs?
EU MEPs live the Life of Riley but don't write the regulations
Please, please sack me! Euro MP DANIEL HANNAN plea for Brexit
I am a British Member of the European Parliament (MEP) Help me abolish my well-remunerated and comfortable position. Please, please sack me! writes DANIEL HANNAN MEP.
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yeah cos we were REALLY suffocating...
and swapped them for an elected bureaucratic elite that admits it's only focus was to win the vote?
Remains to be seen if that's the case. Unlikely if they want to trade with the EU.
Interesting: not one word about one main motive for Brexit: threat of refugees into UK
for god sake's all of you, take me off this thread.
I stopped tweeting on this thread the instant you asked. It's taken on a life of its own.
Not if they want to do business with any country in Europe. The EU is still there. #BrexitVote
Even if the EU disbands England will have to abide by 27 different forms of regulation. #BrexitVote
You must have missed how the House of Lords is populated!
but ran straight into the spears of another, bureaucratic elite.....
and yet Germany is thriving...
Not. unelected. And "elite" = funny given the state of US politics.
Call Me a Bigot For Standing Against Ruthless Slave Labor Elites!
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the House of Lords? Muppet!
Nope, the House of Lords still exists....
uhm, aren't Members of European Parliament actually democratically elected?
for isolationism!! Hardly an escape! And unless you have experienced it you have no idea
sorry, which bureaucratic elite are you referring to--the one in Westminster?
we have escaped the unelected elite. When do you last vote for someone into the House of Lords.
At least our government had a say in selecting EU bureaucrats. Who has a say on Murdoch?
Regulation that we will have to follow if we want to trade with them whilst having even less say.
unfortunately, the first thing the UK gets is an un-elected PM.
no they haven't. UK still has an upper chamber made of unelected members. House of Lords.
You can't say "true" to the last sentence and the say "on the other hand." There is no other hand.
by regulations you mean standards, don't you?
but they also don't spend 2 years & billions electing their leaders
They just traded it for suffocating regulations from an elected bureaucratic elite.
That's exactly what has to be fixed next. One step at a time. Freedom isn't bought in a day.
Maybe they shld'v voted out austerity politics at home first.
those regulations constantly give me safety in my care job...not sure I am ready to give that up tbh
and replaced it with a vote rigging elite - turkeys voted for Christmas to happen every day
unelected rubbish, lords, queens, permanent under secretary, Britain is the master in unelected rulers.
Interesting how digital world contributes to 2 items here. New economy, dangerous confirmation bias in reviewing info.
Perhaps the writer doesn't understand this new concept of democracy & self determination
so true. I'm lucky I have more than one passport
so do I but keep it under your hat 😉
- sounds like gobbledegook. Elitist global bankers are angry. That alone makes me smile.
sounds all so familiar
l envy that blue tick....l thout it's a privilege for big shots¿
slightly erroneous to suggest those people willing & able to work abroad can no longer do so.
Do you deny/discount that people in UK voted against the corrupt/rigged status quo that does nothing for them?
seems like if you voted either way most citizens are screwed?
Not necessarily. Some may view it that way but change presents opportunity if you seize it.
do you think they'll seize the opportunity or dilly dally along?
Some will seize it and many won't. Let competitive, free, fair, & open markets work.
I'm not sure your third adj. can exist with the other 3.
Let's never forsake worthy pursuit >> competitive, free, fair, open mkts
I think I've seen human and corporate greed too much to trust truly open markets in the long run.
I do not disagree and wrote a book, In Bed with Wall Street, to expose that very reality:
In Bed With Wall Street
The Conspiracy Crippling Our Global Economy: Larry Doyle: 9781137278722: Amazon.com: Books
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nice. I'll check it out.
I admire your optimism, especially given your obvious wealth of knowledge on the subject.
never stop fighting.
all u need are neutral officials to enforce the rules of the game. Sadly those end up being government officials
problem with govt. peeps is that politics comes in. How do you find 'neutrals' to deliver oversight?
good question
oh yes bc those always benefit the common man.
Except there is no such thing as a fair free open market - get real!
corruption and mis spending of tax payers money.
They are going to realize Just How Much the EU Did for them, too little too late
are you talking about Westminster or Brussels? Given the clear primacy of Westminster, I'm assuming the former.
BOTH . . .
EU has received a totally disproportionate share of blame. Tories cause the problem and then come up smelling of roses.
So true.
neither does the commenter but that anger was misdirected and counterproductive
They also reelected the austerity policies that did nothing for them.
if they did, they used the wrong vote to do it on.
it does everything for whoever wants it and makes use of it.
Yes. And even in that "led" was mis-spelt.
blablablablabla
welcome to the new world order mate
Brexit won! Accept the choice your country made. It is called democracy.
Funny that a #Hillary shill (@jfreewright) RT'd this. #Merica's headed the exact same path be it Lady Corruption OR #Trump.
@nicoleperlroth
please. Still opportunities, just need to fill in a form, easy for those educated lot that voted remain
Do you really belieave there are no Yanks, Aussies, Japanese, Brazilians etc. working in #EU? Deep breaths...
But when in all its centuries of conquering other nations has the UK been anything other than bigoted?
never, I'm afraid 😨
Are you a young, regressive Corbynite?
I'm a person with a brain
Ah, my apologies.
You might try reading some real history books, maybe talk to some Veterans @ewiggins66 @nicoleperlroth @LOSTINFICTIONUK
Um what? Did you read the "articulate post" I originally referred to? I have a history degree.
That was when Britain was great!
when the side you support lose elections then you call winning side bigot? It explains u well.
this decision affects the whole country and was made by puppet mastered fools
it is useless to argue with fanatics like you who see the people holding other views as evil
I was responding to the original text thread. Not making a random judgement based on the vote.
You're an ahistorical fool!
at least there's something historical about us. You seem completely oblivious of history
Oh, you poor thing. Feeling sorry for ourselves because the hoi polloi won't listen to you?
the oi polloi are those who started all the wars in history. Hitler and Mussolini were supported by the oi polloi
So you want to keep them there. Cretin!
I believe we have a different concept of dictatorship. Hitler and Mussolini had a lot of consensus, just remember that
are you really comparing a vote for self government to Hitler's Germany?
absolutely. Hitler got regularly elected. Read Mein Kampf nd ull see a lot of similarities with Farage
Sorry, you should seek help. You are awash in delusion.
delusion is 4 leavers who believed Boris'fake promises nd are now frantically googling EU after they voted
You are a cretin!
just try visiting any part of the former Empire to hear the locals confirm that.
Thank you! The people who brought slavery to New York! It wasn't the Dutch!
created the basics of human rights, banned slavery and child labour, magna carta bill of rights, stood up to nazism?
After engaging in slavery for centuries, killing natives all over the world, and forcibly taking over lands that weren't theirs
The guy gives you a perfectly adequate answer to your "when" question & yet you try to reframe? #SpecialPleading
every nation has engaged in slavery and the taking over of land. The Uk is different, it banned slavery and gave democracy.
the great America, last western country to ban slavery and the most successful at eradicating all natives from the land it stole
Funny but slavery still exists in Asia and Africa ... And democracy came from the Greek not the Brits.
but not in the West. And that Greek democracy vanished centuries ago, modern democracy is traceable to the Uk.
Slave labor still works plantations in Brazil. Desperate people make bad deals with their freedom, losing all.
And a 1% that want to be the ultimate ruling class; value of ordinary people=profit potential they can generate.
Shut it, you fat twat. What a load of moronic nonsense.
Give equal time to all the imperialist powers in history Don't cherry pick Great Britain @nicoleperlroth @LOSTINFICTIONUK
Was commenting on an article about the UK. Why would I talk about anyone else?
we cherry picked because the Brits don't want any immigrants after having invaded everyone
It's not immigration it's a Muslim invasion going on worldwide It's part of the Jihad package @ewiggins66 @nicoleperlroth
EU is NWO imperialists erasing nationhood 12 economic zones worldwide, one world government @ewiggins66 @nicoleperlroth
Shut up. You know fuck all.
If you don't like it here leave, bye
Thanks. I'm not from the UK. Can't really leave. I'm happy with my country.
Compare the economies of former British colonies to their surrounding countries...
Story of Britain leaving EU will be similar to the story of the Pobble losing his toes. nonsenselit.org/Lear/ll/pobble…
Oh cry me a freaking river! Utter pseudo-intellectual gibberish. Slave mindset. UK is free to stop getting raped by EU
complete bollocks
boo-hoo. Go cry with the rest of the slave mindset lefties who want their globalist test. Learn freedom.
coming from a yank and your nutty country 😅
well slow down there, mate. UK showing us they're a step ahead of us in the nutty dept. God bless them. Ha!
hmm. I'll gloss over health provision and gun control then.
Awesome. "Gun control." There's a doozy. We need more of them for these psychos they're iimporting. Cheers!
we find it quite important, kind of helps to limit mass shootings. But you know best...
trump supporter?
by rapes you mean providing 44% of our trade?
Hahaha! Don't be clueless. Our trade continues. Everyone knows EU was taxing UK up the nose. Giving 0
our trade continues? Are you that thick? We have to renegotiate every single trade agreement with 27 countries
and they will, with better leverage. You sound so beta and weak. Typical.
better leverage? Lol you moron
umm yes. That would be called the big bad sovereignty. It's what free nations do with each other. Globalist sheep. Go work.
taxing up the nose? The cost was less than 2% of our gdp
your people get taxed way fucking more than 2%. It's that pathetic "spin" why your globalism shatterd
prove it dickwad
"dickwad" "prove it" Typical of stupid ass globalist mind controlled sheep. #Brexit happened. Poof!
here's one of a million articles showing how stupid you are
shit up fool. You lost. EU in deep shit and UK first of many to leave. But keep kissing Germany ass
"fact sheet" because keeping piles of your own money for your people and sovereignty isn't good. lol
try to find me one that's proves your deluded thoughts
yeah yeah. Shut up. Slavery may very well look good on you. Wear it. Good thing people UK awake to BS
ah just shut the fuck up. Troll.
"Big Man Utd. and UFC fan." Welcome to the real world dumbass. Time to grow up and leave wonderland.
EU economically enslaving UK and smothering them. UK free now without that leftist monster.
by enslaving you mean giving us shit loads of money and people to do the jobs we wouldn't? Free to do what exactly?
the wimpering of soft, fat, dependent beta sheep. Go produce. You're free now. Slave.
your the sheep you moron. Thick enough to think boris and farage are your working class heroes. You have no clue
you are what a stupid economic slave sounds like. Go play poker or watch some stupid football, idiot. Get to work too.
Europe is the monster, not EU. Brits cannot vote that away. But by all means, pls try to. @therealgarlando @nicoleperlroth @jack
28 arrog. countries, diff lang, cult, relig. 1500 y. of constant war. And EU to blame? @therealgarlando @nicoleperlroth @jack
sell that gibberish globalist talking point elsewhere. Nobody buying it. Switzerland didn't die.
Switzerland never left the eu you cretin
Switzerland is part of the EEA. Abides all regulations, free movemt, no say in governance in exch for trade
u are wrong here.
Awesome. Only globalism dependent leftists and clueless youth agree with that so, I'm good with it.
u mean everyone that understand how modern economy works
hahaha!! The "modern economy" that's been economically enslaving the west to feed socialism to failures?
that is called neoliberalism, that is what destroyed UK economy not UE
Wrong again and as #Brexit shows, millions disagree with your thesis. Globalism Cultural Marxism did it.
Yeah!
Stop feeding me facts, figures, and logic.
nice use of rape there you meathead spunk trumpet. Go produce yerself gibbontits
I'm from the U.S. What type of Government does the U.K. have now?
What makes you think I give a shit about you? I don't care who you are or where you come from. Go troll elsewhere.
omg I just asked you a question. FUCK YOU If you are too stupid to know the answer look it up dumbass.
Shut up, stupid. I simply said you are irrelevant to me. I don't give a shit about your questions. Move on, loser.
ahhhhh shut up. Go get "triggered" elsewhere dumbass.
#Brilliant Thank You✔️
just like Clinton plans for the US
Complete bollocks.
What a profound response, Jason. What a tool.
Don't tweet me you halfwit
Sorry, who made you God?
Who made you a dunce?
How so?
And why such eloquence...
Why don't you go fuck yourself.?
Why don't you at least learn to debate in an adult manner, or apply for grant for a free lobotomy from the EU before too late!
Except none of it is true.
Why would the British have lost the right to work and live in Europe? What a rubbish, this comment is export free
Post factual society - so true but it's not a recent development, it started during project fear in IndyRef.
Too true. UK went from fending off the shark of corporatism in the ocean to fending it off in a pond.
Pretty sure folk can still travel. #generationsnowflake
The British people are NOT sick of experts. What were sick of is Common Purpose LSE trained clones pretending to be experts
cpexposed.com/about-common-p… & THEY ARE STILL MANOUVERING SUBVERTING THE DEMOCRATIC PROCESS, BEYOND AUTHORITY APPARENTLY
and the USA better pay attention or the regrets will be there.
Those countries are very welcome to take as many Brits as wish to go there. This vote doesn't change that.
As for travel, us Brits were renouned for epic travelling exploits well before the EU was invented. Isabella Bird!
And imperialism. And colonialism
That's because passports and border control were very loose back then, because tourism wasn't common
If EU were only about free movement of goods, services and people (all fine things) doubt if this would ever have happened.
But that was never the intention of the EU's founding fathers - Jean Monnet et al.
I did say 'If'.
That lady climbed up mountains in a woollen maxi skirt and corsets.
freedom work work and live in EU countries can be retained if we remain in the single market.
Libertarians should be over the moon. Less EU-foisted government, baby!
it's just a vote against bureaucracy, it doesn't mean people can't be united.
This captures the tragedy perfectly. #EUref
APART fact that my 5 year old daughter will not face huge demand 4 housing driving price to stratosphere.
Do you think this will necessarily result in freedom of movement?
Unclear, they'll probably go for EEA or a visa system similar to Australia.
Just one mans opinion
This should be a wake up call for compromise. Polarization is the problem, there's common ground and it's ok to find it.
This is what is happening in the U.S. as well.Doomed to failure in long run.Resistance 2 positive change.
So much time is spent demonizing from both sides of the political spectrum, this is a root cause of our political problems.
i disagree
This is pixel-for-pixel the same screenshot as @OffsideLiam @nicoleperlroth - Is this the way it's exported by FT?
welcome to a generation of high unemployment and stagnation. You deserve it.
I don't disagree, but it's points are valid and worth considering. There are no simple answers or causes though.
All of this is FUD. None of this has happened. UK has not left the EU. Negotiations may take years with rights preserved.
that's not articulate, that's just called whinging
Yes, this is excellent.
ty
totally agree!
The real, real tragedy is that with sensible immigration and economic policies, this could have been avoided.
not only will your soccer team still suck but now your economy lol
The previous national EC treaties have not been cancelled. Fearmongering to claim "young people could not work in Europe"!
An excellent post. Thank you.
We live in a sound bite world where facts and reality are now fantasy.
there are winners and losers on both sides of this vote outcome, the only way to be truely free is with Jesus 😏
Ok, on that we agree mate.
that was hot garbage
This is so spot on.
Brilliantly expressed! Very true in Britain and the US.
Not anti-intellectualism. Anti- INEPT intellectualism. Big difference. Not sure whether LEAVE is good, tho.
The "experts" have delivered great results for Davos Men unseen by Dagenham Man or Daytona Man
The most articulate take:
Today the British voters have declared they wish Britain to be a sovereign country
@nicoleperlroth @SeanTrende
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Post-factual democracy ... the modern-day version of the Tower of Babel.
yes indeedy.
not so much agree on that. It's not like people won't travel anymore. UK has never really been part of EU.
how many countries have you lived in?
Italy, Spain, Czech Rep., UK, Chile, USA.
it's not like people didn't travel b4 EU :) . so many interests 4 IN OUT issue, few have 2 do w/ real people.
that won't be so easy and you are a real person..
nothing great is ever easy. I think Brexit going to be tough but better for UK.
I'm just thinking about my UK.. Which isn't going to be better
I think in the long run it's going be better. Never accepted Euro,2 work had 2 get NIN bank account & tax ID
u really gotta feel bad for these people (Trump/remain voters)...they know their lives suck but they can't figure out why...
A pretty good warning for American voters in there.
How sad :(. how were they even living before EU ? :(
most of this is either untrue or based on unproven opinions only.
it's but hurt motivated imaginary nonsense.
trump(s) galore...
The Swiss visit Europe, so do the Norwegians (and vice versa): don't be so dramatic
'The right to live & work'.. No one is barred: it's a free world. Go to Oz, work in NZ, etc @viewmagazine @nicoleperlroth @paulbradshaw
Who is the anonymous pseudo intellectual I know it all author of such hysterical drivel?
third or scariest: post-factual democracy
I didnt know you cannot leave UK now. Mustve missed it. Olol.
Every remain eulogy has to sport the bigotry trope. I knew it would be in there somewhere.
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Only problem with the comment is that it was not an age bias in the vote but an education bias
Yes if you were educated enough you could see the pit the EU was descending into.
I have mixed views. EU politics was/is giving control to corporations. But it also had benefits. Intertwined.
I agree most intelligent people looked at the balance. I would have had worry this morning over the future with either result.
my feeling exactly about the current US political environment. End of the era of famed Western democracy where logic reigned
applies to the US as well
over and out :( “@nicoleperlroth: The most articulate take on #Brexit is actually this FT reader comment today. ”
all of the butthurt!! #brexit
Rubbish. People from all over the world work in Europe. good job the older generation weren't such defeatist!
They have not lost the right.... It's called a fucking VISA....
what a load of tripe.
Crikey.......but fairly correct.
Was that actually a "reader" comment? Or mis-typed "leader"?
What do you think the experts and "facts" said about American independence?
Think we might be OK with the old friendships and marriages bit, though.
oh @nicoleperlroth don't be a cry baby.
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Hahaha like country's aren't going to accept skilled workers into their country
What utter bollocks! My uncle DIED to give us democracy, and that same democracy has just won. Live with it. Idiot
Will our children be lonely and single now that they will never ever meet a foreigner again?
but you will be able to regulate female mutilation, special dispensation for those informed by the 5th century
freedom of movement has not been taken away by parents etc. Please don't accept generalisations
“@nicoleperlroth: The most articulate take on #Brexit is actually this FT reader comment today. ” #sadtimes #onwards
anyone can live and work anywhere they want you just have to meet a certain criteria, oh! except for uk!
Globalization will destroy the world. We need independent countries that can think for themselves. #BREXITYES
Oh my goodness. Who wrote this? Whoever wrote this is, frankly, a genius with a beautifully perceptive mind.
So rude about your audience. We had a democratic vote. We will recover, have faith in your Country.
What drivel produced by somebody who believes themselves to be intellectually superior . . Pious and insulting
It wasn't anti-intellectualism. This happened because a despised patrician class failed to deliver real prosperity.
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Articulate, yes. Utopian, yes. Naive, yes. My guess is that foreigners will continue to immigrate to UK
bending facts to suit your opinion makes you a corrupt expert. Surely that is the problem.
People make it sound like it is impossible to go to another country, now it is done democratically rather than moronically
thirdly is correct
That was a powerful read. Short, succinct and more than a tad bit scary unfortunately.
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the "facts" we're corrupt lies and we know that and that leave won't be a panacea. The cleanup starts.
when did we ever live in a "factual democracy" era?
Communist China's Anti-Intellectualism led to lots of things besides bigotry, sure they were almost all bad...
"a post factual democracy"--if that phrase doesn't fill you with dread, I'm worried about you
When the US declared independence from England, was that also "anti-intellectualism"?
why does everyone think it's the end of the world why can't you travel marry and do what you like
oh come on. Sour grapes. We've finally reasserted our democratic rights vs bloated, corrupt, incompetent EU elite
teri maa ka lora maru
So the elite will seek revenge on these common folk by boycotting them and treating them as pariahs?
Younger people have not lost the right to live & work in other European countries, you're talking utter tosh.
And these same elite who would that every soul on earth wander into the USA and Europe unfettered will block their travels?
brilliant! #brexit
this reminds me of when a Bush Jr. Advisor said, "We don't care about the facts. We make our own reality."
“@nicoleperlroth: The most articulate take on #Brexit is actually this FT reader comment today. ”// so true!!
Nicole for those of us who don't live there can you explain why you won't be able to travel to the other countries?
working classes can now be economically regarded, Visas will still be attainable and remain gave no facts?
How is inciting hatred of the previous generation not ignorance and bigotry>
all neoliberal sour grapes bluster. We are better off out. Catalyst for change EU now dead 👍😄
Point forgotten: pulse of the people matters most of all.All flows from that crucial fact.No wool over eyes!
So why the fuck did the 'younger generayion' not get off their fucking arses and vote?
46% of 18-25 and 53% of 25-35 turned out vs nearly 80% of over 65.
Too late moaning about old farts making your choice if you couldn't be arsed to vote.
absolute bollocks and scaremongering, what so now we've voted out we'll never be able to visit EU countries again
anti-intellectualism reminds me of cultural revolution in communist China...
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what a bunch of artsy fartsy bullshit.
articulate yes, but just an opinion like everyone else has.
Democracy is messy. Revolutions required to ensure democracy of the people, evolves.
Here's another @scATX
What a pessimist!
what a load of sentimental bullshit.
UK only left the EU that Germany led. A new EU will emerge that will be under UK n will not be politically correct
did you understand all those long words?
You can be in Schengen, while out of EU. See Iceland, Norway, Switzerland, et al. #brexit
Drivel. #VoteLeave rejected a paradigm in which those "experts" were vested & to which they're still captive.
The fact is Switzerland is doing extremly fine outside the EU. Contrary to prdictions in 1992.
The US should pay very close attention to that last sentence.
that last line is hauntingly relevant these days
Brilliantly summed up. Well done.
obviously we didn't exist before the EU.....
JUST SHUT UP WE HAVE VOTED TO LEAVE
last week's @TheEconomist lead piece also said it elegantly: "Yet in the post-truth politics that is rocking..." (1/2)
"...Western democracies, illusions are far more alluring than authority." (2/2)
Articulate but wrong. Sneering undertone, "how dare you plebs vote the way you did" is the gist.
brilliant (and sad because they're true) comments.
it's a bit of a stretch to say that people would want to be friends with the English
weird logic anti-ntellectualism -> bigotry when world's leading mass murderers despots hv been intellectuals' heroes!
More like they can be jobless in 27 countries!
Austerity.
It's hard right now, but I'll try to do likewise.
12-14 million Muslims looking to move out of Turkey and into UK within next 5 years. You wouldn't get a say.
Most liberal crap I have read - not surprised (NYT) view on world would destroy everything we hold dear #Brexit #TrumpTrain
Britex was a product of an weary electorate. It is not bigotry to care for family and country.
based on the assumption that long term it's a poor choice. Only time will tell.
intellectualism killed 100 Million in the 20th Century.
maybe, but they choose
That last sentence describes Trump's rise perfectly.
Pol Pot wasn't overly keen on intellectuals as I recall.
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If all else fails blame Thatcher! Oh grow up, the vote was against you so step up and help make this country great again.
well said
what a load of bollocks, proving the disconnect between the preening elites and those who can vote.
“@nicoleperlroth: The most articulate take on #Brexit is actually this FT reader comment today. ” "post-factual" true
#brexit Well, the Pound and markets have plummeted and that helped?
what a crock of shite you remainers talk
The most articulate take on #Brexit is actually this FT reader comment today. @nicoleperlroth
and then theres this tweet,commonpurpose.org/knowledge-hub/… and why we had to leave.
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All nations are created by #immigration; all nations are destroyed by immigration.
Africa for Africans, Asia for Asians, White countries for Everyone IS White Genocide.
Out here, in the styx, austerity and the pressure of mass immigration is a lived experience.The EU threatens our way of life
so hypothetical future + accused bigotry = articulate? This guy sure knows the future.
yes, what we're watching here is conservatism devolve into nationalism. Next stop WWIII?
I have been saying something like this since last night. The only thing better would be a Trump and Marie Le Pen victory!
Utter dystopian drivel that makes it sound as though there's no such thing as a thriving democracy outside the EU.
Same thing could be said about current state of US politics. Sadly, it seems, the American people are also sick of experts.
Cost of racism. RT @nicoleperlroth: The most articulate take on #Brexit is actually this FT reader comment today.
I watched a gleeful Bernie Sanders attempt 2 exploit BRexit and I have to wonder if he really understands @nicoleperlroth
Britain wants to be more like America, like a parent trying to act like their kids.
SPEECHLESS!!!!!!! Thank you for such an in-depth article on the impact this #Brexit is going to have on thousands of Brits.
Except that the word "democracy" is absent.
nailed it.
I knew the #US had a lot in common with Britain.
wow this fellow gets it. Note especially last sentence. Economic disaffection = rise of bigotry.
"Bigotry" another archaic expression when your argument goes south. #Brexit
you can post this almost verbatim if trump wins
forchrissakes spread this now to AVOID that possibility
typical left crap.
now Brits can remove leaders, cast votes, and recovered their self-determination. The EU was a protectionist dictatorship.
what a total crock. You have voted to save yourselves and unchain from a sinking ship.
I'm 71, and a grandfather. Bastard Quitters have screwed my childrens and my grandchildrens future #notmyvote
it'll be ok. Nobody is ever screwed. Life is what you make it
That's great when you live somewhere where 50% aren't halfwits to be led by the nose
sadly a lot of people are halfwits as is the government !!! We must move forward now with Asia etc
17.4 million bastards, all with 1 vote each just like you
17.4 million old bastards, who will likely die before the full fuck-up is realised. I'm 71, it's my kids i cuss for.
I'm 1 of the bastards, I'm a LOT younger than you, and I have kids too (who I obviously considered when making my choice)
OK, so you boght Farages bullshit. Im sorry your kids have a dad who sucks.
No, I just think we have better opportunities globally outside of the EU than from within it - so keep your insults to yourself.
Sure, except that I used mine responsibly.
I was totally frivolous with mine. I wasn't really, I just disagree with you.
people everywhere are angry, tired, overworked, like gerbils on wheels. We have all lost our way. Now what? #nowheretorun
I don't know. You can't exactly call Merseyside "elitist", they voted to stay. I wouldn't blame the working class.
or the non-working class. I blame the government for hammering poor people to the point of desperation.
and Sun (and believe Mail) newspapers are not read. Papers who's owners are very pro leave.
Judging the majority voters by the few is synonymous with racism. Which majority Brits are not.
No mention of the missed Friendships in the Uk had Remain scrapped democracy.
If by 'articulate' you mean crude and malevolent, the one must agree. #brexit
Boohoo. I guess the remain voters would rather prop up failed EU states like Greece
what a retarded post!! If you can't get a job abroad maybe it's not the opportunity but your own limited skills!!
To top it off, a Trump look alike buffoon will rule you.
Add boof head Boris, Farage, Trump and Turnbull to the scene
And you have a farcical comedy!
I've worked all over the place hat we didn't have labour relations with!! Perhaps having a brain isn't a remain leave skill!
Nicole, go and have a lie down and listen to some soothing music.
sad when people don't really think things through
Strong desires blind you to the consequences of your action.
Oh no I cant go work and live in Poland or Romania. Dammit!
there is still freedom of movement and will always be so. You're an idiot
sad, but all true
Can you tell me that the source of this is?
austerity accomplished a lot didn't it? It screwed everyone.
Barf! =K
we're headed for a post-factual democracy in the US if @realDonaldTrump elected
uh your media already sells you narratives they pretty much work for Clinton obama banned muslims hes no bigot
she tells journalists what they'll talk about she gives them the outline for how they want their stories
if there are negative facts about trump you will damn sure hear them Im not from the usa but this is obvious.
A post-factual world. We here in America have failed to provide a sifficient cautionary lesson, I guess. #Bernie2016
Good share. Thanks.
Here's an "expert opinion" full of sound and fury, signifying nothing"!
Go marry whoev
@nicoleperlroth @AndrewAKling
The most articulate take on #Brexit is actually this FT reader comment today.
Excellent - but I bet he'll take some stick for saying it.
true. But I really wish people wouldn't use 'bullet' metaphors this week. It's too soon.
agree 100% w/ "post-factual." Other complaints sound like "waah, i don't get to bang Italian dudes as easily!"
norway and switzerland - They are not in EU, but no big deal to get a job there. They are also in shengen zone...
Nobody had ever worked or been to europe before 1973 then? No need for continued scaremongering, the vote is in. It's over.
not everything comes down to racism and bigotry.
dearth
Democracy won in the end. Proud of that.
Perhaps the older folks, with their years of dealing with the EU, know its rotten core better then younger folks?
I suppose if you cannot think for yourself you may be excused for believing the lies you have been subjected to.
I admit I don't understand this disdain for democracy by the remainers, it's like the want to be subservient to all?
Yeah sure they build the wall. It is huge righ and beautiful right around GB.
And they let them pay for it.
:No stop>work abroad+cut Global Corp/Banks down size+protect NationState Sovereignty is good=UK voted all benefit not few
ok so is globalism the only choice?
interesting read...thanks for posting!
Wow… This. Is. All. “@nicoleperlroth: The most articulate take on #Brexit is actually this FT reader comment today. ”
Spot on. Thx.
Which is to say, if you think that Britain not having open transit is a tragedy, what about the rest of us?
cry aboot it
A democracy w/o facts doesn't remain a democracy f/ long. They have shot themselves in the foot. It will be harder to walk.
haha wtf... disgusting
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There is a reason ancientGreek philosophers called democracy 'mob rule'
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I was unaware Britons would be incapable of travel abroad due to this.
It won't be prison.
Is a significant premise of "globalization" or of a union to deter secession by the potential consequences they may face?
intellectual gobbledygook! Freedom of movement was not taken away, have some pride, go out and make your own dreams happen
have never read such nonsense!
Quite relevant ! But we don't want an anti-intellectual culture. A not only based on prejudices one.
Emotional & wrong-headed voice of inexperienced idealists outraged that they don't get everything they want.
to buy this take, you have to believe that the UK is going to isolate itself by not replacing EU membership with other terms
the same terms maybe? Why leave then?
because now maybe they can incrementally change to get where they want to be. But they're not hard stopping this
don't blame bigotry elsewhere. Take responsibility, which society doesn't ever do. Cheers to sovereignty!
it's not going to happen. They're not suicidal. EU is on the way out, Europe will still be there
My thoughts exactly. But the EU bureacrats were not supported, obvious when election voting percentages ranked around 33%.
what a load of pretentious bollox
more difficult to emigrate too. Not just about trustafarians.
Dunno. That it will be harder for Brits to leave to work or study if they so chose? I'd say so.
I have no argument with democracy. But it's a question of personal opinion. And it may change over time.
But I reckon it's all moot anyway. Boris will negotiate deals or put UK in EEA.
Yeah, that's the trade-off isn't it? Just saying there's a trade off. Matter of personal choice which u value more
visas will allow anyone to travel, Visit and work in any country in the World. Most Brit go further abroad than EU
how has the disaster of non-EU membership for Norway and Switzerland been?
Norway is in the EEA.
so the disaster can be mitigated. Seems like a reasonable measure that could be part of divorce proceedings?
depends on ur view. EEA means accepting EU regs (inc free movement) w/out having say in shaping them
thanks for the info. looks like UK will have to have another "special relationship" on it's non-Atlantic side.
As a Swiss resident, it's been fine. If you actually think the UK, Norway & Switz are comparable.
Is the UK a country with 5 million people, unlimited oil and a massive fishing industry? no? ok.
good points of difference. but then what does she share with Bulgaria or Greece, for instance?
Stupidity in that statement is palpable.
that's articulate!? Every point is arguable. What is not is that a referendum is a joint decision, by all 4 all @Marcotti
But yet they have gained the power of having their vote count and becoming a sovereign nation.
lame spin. The lesson is: DO NOT IGNORE the "economically disregarded", they will throw in with the racists..
People can still live and work in other countries. The left is upset because their lies didn't work this time.
Love how rich white liberals are freaking out because they can't rule and reign over people anymore. @jack
well at least you get that 350 million quid a week for the NHS:)
its a referendum, why is world cribbing??????
I agree. It is about our culture, opportunities, vision. What a waste!
People have always worked in other countries - that won't change. Stop the blame game and let's get on with it!
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"What is the EU?" is the second top UK question on the EU since the #EURefResults were officially announced
how do we know we have lost the right to live and work in 27 countries?
God forbid the young 2 remain N Britain & focus on putting the Great back into it vs chasing greener pastures abroad
what people miss here is that history tells us that Nations are hewn more from faith than "facts".
This was dismissed by @Conservatives MP on Radio 5 without even a pause fur breadth - just like all the recent discussion
so immigration is now banned in Europe ? "Lost the right to live in 27 countries". Bit overdramatic
#Brexit No, actually. Articulating straw men adversaries, yes. Certainly the least well off were losing anyway.
the liberal/leftist butthurt is strong in this dribble. Liberal tears best tears.
for the remain side maybe
total bullshit
first time I see articulate means bloody wrong.
I am wiser now, thanks.
the people voted for sovereignty and that is a beautiful thing - spinning it any other way is disgusting
the elected leaders do not look out for the best interests of the people and they are no longer blind to it
Response: 1. short term only; may be better off with less EU regs, 2. 2 years to move at will; 3. “facts?”
,@nicoleperlroth sadly, the US is headed down the same anti-intellectual, counter-factual path, lead by a con man. I see disaster ahead.
I didn't know 27 other countries hated the Brits that much... or are they just wrong?
Unknowingly, exactly the excerpt I put up on my FB!
this isn't true. #Brexit is not the same as leaving the free market which has not yet been decided but everyone forgets
The EU was a pos when it was started and it's just gotten worse. It's time for countries to reclaim their nationally pride
well said
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It's a pseudo intellectual argument based on the writer not knowing anything much about the world.
No it isn't. It's being blind to reality. It's done, don't bleat-deal with it.
!!Everyone's bleating about a democratic decision.
And yes, young people will still be able to go where they like - so its nonsense
Ha ha :-) well said....and I didn't mean holidays...
would love to know who wrote this...
The EU as currently structured is a failure. This vote is just the first concrete acknowledgement of that.
No need for so much elaboration, the problem is Democracy itself. @meirsadan
Nobody can say what will be lost until 5-10 years from now; why the negative commentary. Could be better. #Brexit
pretty much a set of self centred clap trap that.
bullshit.
well said! Hopefully our American friends will note & not fall into the same trap that Trump has set. #Brexit
Them old people as you call them are the 1's that made the biggest sacrifice to give us the right to vote. Do one u pleb
ah nothing like people talking down to the working class. "We'll tell you what's good for you."
that hurts
" the post factual democracy" . Just heard Boris say he wdn't use immigration as political weapon. WOW!
so sad that Britain didn't help the eu build European army. Really wanted to see Rome fall again right?
if ifs and ands were pots and pans, there'd be no work for tinkers' hands.
Wow!!! and not just the younger generation - mindless
utter twaddle
all the gross #Brexit hate. Shouldn't we be celebrating regardless of outcome, that the people have a voice?
look, like it or not, THE PEOPLE (mostly) wanted it. That's the point of democracy. Same if BT HC or BS win in USA
A vote is like a rifle: its usefulness depends upon the character of the user. #Roosevelt
wise words, but almost dangerous. What happens when think to disarm people with a character we don't agree with?
who said anything about disarming?
Message: Be a better voter/shot- get informed, educated & polish the character.
ooh, I misunderstood the quote. I thought it was about opposing sides shooting for an issue.
and demonizing the people who don't agree with you is only helping tear everyone apart.
what are you talking about? I've posted nothing 'demonizing'. Historic moments are bound to have strong opinions
"@BBCBreaking @BorisJohnson @BBCNews he's a lying, old, elitist prick. He and other leave voters are trash."
not you specifically, I've always appreciated and even been inspired by your contributions to any discussion.
but it does exist, and there's a lot of it popping up on my feed.
What do I have to do with people you've CHOSEN to follow? YOU control what's in your feed. Plz go away now, thx
I did say it wasn't you. I'm speaking generally, people can agree and disagree without getting nasty. Y u mad @ me
I get what you're saying. But realistically, the least of our worries should be political correctness, a boat that sailed long ago
Right because brits didn't travel, work or marry or make friendships outside England in the days before the EU. Amazing @nicoleperlroth
this is indicative of the lower socioeconomic claases here in the US we needed real change Bernie was it!
there are plenty of valid reasons for Brexit that weren't "anti intellectual".Nationalism is not a non intellectual concept.
holy shit that's complicated. Do I need more or less beer?
it is certainly the most condescending and least self-reflective...in other words, exactly why we're here. #Brexit
comment is correct.UK an island surrounded by lava.No such thing as planes. You r doomed!Never meet Europeans or work abroad
you and Jose Canseco, bruh
very real impact to my own economic situation and that of my colleagues and friends.
but I guess we are just part of the global elite bogeyman so who cares?
Yes, and those who voted to leave are literal nazis. We're getting somewhere.
don't know anyone who voted to leave. I'm sure they are fine people, maybe they have valid reasons. I just don't know them
look, I don't want to be flippant about your potential hardships. I was just busting your balls, as you do to me quite often.
all fun and games until the wallet gets hurt
Then I hope your sympathetic to those of us who've paid extra multiple thousands, often for a lesser product, thanks to the ACA.
my total plan costs double on July 1 directly due to the ACA.
I am one of those people too. How is one related to the other?
Economic hardship stemming from a policy/vote you opposed.
sure in that sense. I just didn't relate them in that way. Crazy thing about Brexit to me is that it was by pop. vote
it wasn't
it was by young working class generation, who want change #Brexit
#IVotedLeave
oh ye of little faith 🇬🇧
Why weren't these arguments used by the #Remain supporters?
today Nicole is a grey grey day
y have people lost the right 2 live/work in 27 countries? Young people move 2 Australia all the time, not EU
Absolutely worth read "@nicoleperlroth:The most articulate take on #Brexit is actually this FT reader comment today. goo.gl/djtKjV
To act as Devil's advocate- the imminent threat of terrorism is enough to leave the EU and close our borders.
So, "articulate" isn't necessarily = "accurate" then? Some valid points, sure, but a bit of hyperventilating it seems, too.
sounds just like Trump supporters here in the States. 😬
quite a lot of bollox here. I'm pretty sure our young people can go where they want
Oh those delicious salty tears! Mmmm yummy! That's all folks xxxxxx
emotive rubbish
fantastic article spot on. Thank you.
FT comment I mentioned earlier
Una reflexión muy acertada.
2nd statement is false. Many currently have the right to live and work all over the world. Germans etc will welcome talent
Left elitist BS and spin.
The U.S., Australia and others have many people who study abroad, travel throughout the world and that work elsewhere too.
I expect nothing less from an aristocrat. Accept the fact that corrupt, unelected officials shouldn't determine the rules
What a condescending quote. No one expected a perfect transition. It's not like no one will else leave the UK again
disagree. It assumes intellectuals, elites are always right or agree. The myth may end up being the EU was ever good idea
Wrong. You were on the verge of being swallowed by globalism.
Regulated immigration does not equal bigotry. Plenty of country's are fine without being in a elitist superstate.
also, where has it been decided they have lost the right to live/work abroad? Much is undecided and that was not articulated
“@nicoleperlroth: The most articulate take on #Brexit is actually this FT reader comment today. ” Primeras tragedias
The actual changes are almost entirely subject to what we decide to opt out of. We didn't vote on those.
they can still work and live in those other countries People have done it for centuries. It's not bigotry it's common sense
Scott more proponents of a post factual democracy
I still can't believe how friggin out of touch with the entire world this clown is . thank God might be positive change Jan
He's a moron.
bigotry, how did you come up with that?
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Get a passport, date local people, fearing a deadly theocracy is not bigotry. This is elitist tripe.
Can you explain in detail how the younger have lost the right to live and work in Europe?
EU was a bad idea from the beginning! Merkel's dictator, Hollande weak and terrorism pouring into Europe! and Greece bails?
do young brits really believe this nonesense about being denied working in the EU in future? incredible....
Remains are butthurt because they're restricted to one country to find sex partners?
this as enlightened take on #Brexit is as pompous & idiotic as the culturalmarxists that run this paper.
This is spoken from the point of view of a child. Someone willing to give away what they didn't earn and don't understand.
Hw inconsiderate of the "working classes" to vote for #Brexit just because they were "economically disadvantaged".
if these young elitist a aren't careful, they'll have civil wars to deal with. This was about better lives for the young.
life without freedom is no life at all. They don't understand that. They are spoiled and want to be cared for.
I wonder what percentage of the young voted, as opposed to their parents. Might be a lesson in there.
See also Chris Patten's view project-syndicate.org/commentary/bre…
hi Nicole don't tar all with same brush generally you're right but I'm 57 and hate this result! Respect all individuals
or they could learn, get involved & take control. But that's work, time & effort. #ohwell
illusions is right...
Your parents, uncles and grandparents fought and died so you can talk crap,they left many dead friends right across Europe.
This is the dumbest thing I have ever heard in my life lol. They are better off out of the EU and more will follow.
Wow, this heavy stuff. As a 64 year old I may be one of the guilty ones having belief in a Europe without war.
the older generation have a lot to answer for. We should consider diminishing the vote of those approaching the end of life.
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pump the brakes on the drama. After reading this you would think the island fell into the Atlantic.
I agree, however, both my kids are in their twenties and I thought about their future and voted Remain
actually the reasons why Leave won are far more nuanced than this....a generation of problems that neither
major party would address....you reap what you sow...it was too late for the experts!
Uh, something about, "When I hear the word culture, I reach for my pistol?"
I'm don't understand, why people in many cities which low immigration people vote to leave #Brexit
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Watch them use their EU passports now exodus to EU perhaps companies staff going already
"Anti-Intellectualism" leads to bigotry.
An absolute statement that should be inscribed on the tombstone of the #GOP
you should stick to IT articles. Your arguments are full of panic and "what if" scenarios. This isnt a strong point of yours
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more of the young should've voted
to use one of our favourite phrases- what a load of bollocks
"they have merely swapped one distant and unreachable elite for another one". OK, so where's the alternative?
quality of life and earnings are not linked. I can cope with less if i feel safe i don't in Kensington
Actually u have lost NOTHING! All of the 'things' mentioned above 'we' could do pre EU & u will b able 2 do them still.
so says the same people who are against TPP and other trade pacts. Hilarious.
Before we joined the EU I was able to live & work in France! We've left a trading block that's all.Get a grip
The most obvious answer to this question is self evident. The young, alleged elite, educated, and lazy didn't vote.
So much rot written by an
Elitist
😔 *sigh*
what a load of overt self pitying rubbish
the Brits and US saved that continent. Should never take a back seat
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The #Brexit faction began as refugees hiked into the Chunnel thus ruining idealistic EU symbolism. businessinsider.com/eurotunnel-the… …
Gee, I thought being in charge of your destiny was a good thing.
true. Funny how the brexiters are suddenly dragging their feet over leaving the EU. They should activate article 50 at once!
I would gracefully disagree perhaps. Brits have proven track record of centuries to be the best. This is the time to lead.
Suck it up. It's called democracy. You put Jeremy Corbyn there. Repent at your leisure.
Things may not have been good for many but this makes it worst-the medicine is wrong for the disease & may kill patient
HOGWASH!
then they should not have offered up Europe to mass immigration.
the more ppl controlled by a central governing body the more corrupt the body becomes. anyone that can't see that is blind.
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Captured in a nut shell.The shame is that this very message wasnt articulated simply 2all the voters in advance.So crucial.
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‘A bruised reed he will not break... He will faithfully bring forth justice. ISAIAH 42: 3-5
We now live in a postfactual democracy..... @NickSchwanck
The most articulate take on #Brexit is actually this FT reader comment today.
better the elite you know !! Very few Brits in Paris. Lot of Parisians working in London.
Total BOLLOX!
Sheer propaganda, there are such things as visa's and other countries want qualified foreign nationals just as much as we do
The referundum should have been restricted only to those of age between 20 and 50.Old fogies shouldn't hv voted
While you’re at it, let’s not let women vote, or black or Asian, no gays. Idiot!
This is so on point, and it breaks my heart beyond repair.
...well said
Your tweet makes my page better. #socialmedia rbl.ms/28T30rk
Is it elitist to say that the future of Europe and UK was left in the hands of the least educated?
you're presuming voters were clueless about their vote or the consequences of it. They understand and want new change.
In life, you lose something to gain other things. #Brexit might bring losses but there will be gains as well.
true bt sad though
Is the FT reader comment post-factual itself?
Well the youth should went out to vote instead of chatting on #twitter all day. Democracy has spoken so deal with it.
that's so wrong on so many levels, esp regarding the voting out age and class and the lost ability to live/work abroad
le pire, C qu'en mai 40 en pleine débacle W.Churchill avait proposé à Daladier de fondre els parlements Fr et UK
… et que cet abruti avait refusé de peur de diluer l'Empire Français dans celui de Grande Bretagne…
Rather than blaming Britain maybe you should be chastising the EU for its failures that lead to this. Democracy has spoken.
It's not about age, but outlook. I'm 53 and just as devastated as these young people: theguardian.com/politics/2016/…
Unfortunately, only 36% of 18-24 year olds voted. If you didn't vote, you have no right to complain.
a serious problem in the US, too :(
Not as bad as these #regrexit f***wits though: inews.co.uk/essentials/new…
"we now live in a post factual democracy" true of a few democracies. Fully expecting assassination of an archduke
that's the most articulate? It's just emotive obfuscation
Do you want to be ruled by unelected oligarchs?
Articulate, but with a pro-Establishment, free market bias.
Handle with care.
Geez, it worked fine for abt 1800 years b4 all this. How on earth did they manage?
Saving that tweet! It's now featured on rbl.ms/28XCnEj
I wonder how many of those people who say they're "sick of experts" would like to have heart surgery by a non-expert
#brexit
they didn't lose the right to "live and work" in 27 countries. Millions europeans work in countries outside Europe. #Brexit
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Very silent on the issue of lack of Democratic choices
EU may break up completely or reform, in which case UK can rejoin. #Brexit is NO to islamisation.
you may have wanted to live in a province of an undemocratic superstate but I and millions of others didn't .
Great piece & for the benefit of the young a new Referendum MUST be run with 16-18yr olds allowed to vote !
I'm 58 and, despite what the facts tell me, I voted Brexit. Someone must have moved that 'X' with a sweeping statement. :p
that's democracy for you people vote then there are winners and lovers that's life
by the way you can still live and work in these countries they haven't suddenly just closed Europe
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The most moving words I have read about the tragedy Great Britain has sunk into
A good time to sign this fantastic petition: petition.parliament.uk/petitions/1312…
so true, Thatcher also anti- working class, destroying the communities who have now displaced the blame on the eu/migrants
Such Leftist nonsense. There are good factual test cases why Leave was better for working class. #Brexit
So the democratic process used to decide this didn't work for you. Wow you need to grow up.
mmm
'anti expert' rhetoric encouraged by some of the Cabinet disturbing. What follows on burning books?
"Post-factual" is a terrifyingly plausible concept. Humans like good stories so much more than facts.
The fools,the fools, the fools.....great piece
Ridiculous. EU has destroyed many countries now, including mine, France. Time to stop this nonsense
i'm so sorry man... A big hug from Spain . We'll miss you.. Gl
Fully agree.As to those arguing 4 freedom from the EU,our economy did well.Now you have to do better. Easily said than done!
well said.
Mathematically illiterate. Remain votes high in young but only 25% of 18-25 could be bothered to vote.Blame them
so very true, I'm 48 & voted remain. Went 50/50 in my age group. We are going to lose so much potential.
agreed. Really well said - the public were misinformed. Not the way a democracy should work. #brexit
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So if we are drowning in debt after 40 yrs in the EU, how will it improve by staying in? Hoping all young ppl would leave?
It's your parents' and uncles' money you would have needed for your backpacking Job search holidays. Better go to #EU now!
what a complete loud of pseudo-intellectual bollocks unless you have a time machine no one knows the future
The young still have the opportunity to work in Europe, they may have to fill in a few forms though, a terrible hardship!
Establishment whores, traitors, be warned steal this from the people and you will be dealt with severely and brutally.
Don't forget majority of British people voted this. Doubting wisdom of masses is not wise.
“@nicoleperlroth: The most articulate take on #Brexit is actually this FT reader comment today. ” read understand ✨🌍
You Cleary show that you have not any idea what you talking about!
freedom of movement applies to those coming in also which in turn removes some necessity to leave in first place
As matter of fact, you can go to work and live in European countries if you have a job, healthcare and no criminal records.
The EU hopes Britain will consider it its "business partner" and is perfectly to continue trading with them.
I would not worry about British people not being able to go to the European continent. Plus, the EU will probably dissolve.
No it won't be British working in 27 other countries, it will be all the migrants from 27 other countries coming to GB
yep, banned from living in Europe now. Moron.
Once the sun never set on the British Empire so I'm sure they'll be fine w/out accepting unlimited immigration from Pakistan
that message was on point.
Laughable twaddle but such ignorance and intellectual dishonesty is at the root of remain
You can move to the EU right now!
Only the delusional would call removing massing amount of EU bureaucracy and a net loss of 8 billion euros per annum 'bad'.
the world is still out there but you have to go out and work for it Not expect it given to you. So emigrate and stop winging
what a pile of twaddle..... that is my intellectual interpretation. such negativity.
Inarticulate nonsense. I demolish it here:
ralphanomics.blogspot.co.uk/2016/06/fantas…
brilliant demolition. Remainers have genuinely lost it and just spout rhetoric
oh boy more weak minded idiot crying racism. So cheap and easy. A lazy losers crutch.
would you like some cheese with that whine??
exceptionally well put. Thank you
--- Shame on you for being ageist. Older people have just as much right to vote the way they want to as do young people.
Don't tar all of the older generation with the same brush. I'm ancient (56) & I voted Remain
I expect none of that will change. The permissive EU will let Brits come and go, but Brits will make their own laws.
EU is NWO imperialists erasing nationhood 12 economic zones worldwide, one world government No thanks #propaganda #war
I have kids and I voted out for their future. If you want to emigrate add some professional worth to yourself and leave.
so-called experts aren't smart at all. Technocratic governance fails every time. The pretense of knowledge is so arrogant
Some #LEAVERS voted 4 racist reasons & some 4 good reasons #brexit facebook.com/ewa.jasiewicz.… #Britain
everyone have right to vote just the way they want. Who are others to judge?
So IYO everyone who voted Leave is an anti-intellectual bigot? Doesn't that make you a bigot?
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how many people are working class not 17 million plus the Swiss seem to be happy and travel about. Seen better.
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and taken away by all the young people who didn't vote
If Brits are such bigots, isn't Brexit doing the rest of the EU a favor by not allowing travel there?
So they are suffering from Baby Boomer abuse just like we are...
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Guess the lesson here is that "intellectualism" is worth nothing when out of touch with reality. Wake up!
But Heath misled us to take us into 'Europe' in the first place.
Unfortunately, the U.S. is on a similar motorway & there don't appear to be many exits
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congratulations for this tweet.
worth reading take on 'leave'
Yes, travel & leisure are now verboten, amirite? u lefties have this annoying tendency to think liberalism = intellectualism
borders under their control alone is worth short term issues
LOL! THAT'S articulate?
the Internet has worked out pretty well for me. My husband is English and I have friends all over the globe.
thank you so much you have helped me take stock, prepare and pull up my positive pants !!! X
Too simplistic to blame older people. Most of voted "remain" for our youngsters - devastated now.
Do read my article on FB/linkedin.
The people voted against a system that was crushing them and not giving them a say. Higher educated people voted leave #you?
if the young are so pissed @ us they should hav got off their fucking lazy ungrateful arses and voted
There is absolutely no evidence that freedom of travel will not be established in new agreements- #FAIL
I'd cut ties with all the family I could if I was a resident with right to vote there/brit...
superb piece
This fear mongering is exactly why people voted to leave. Civilization isn't going to crumble and devolve into chaos.
Articulate means "completely parrots my thoughts" these days.
this needs to be shared for the world
I've seen this going around but wondering why the author isn't credited?
Indians go around the world to work w/o any treaties! British younger generations can also do it irrespective of #Brexit!
@nicoleperlroth
this is nonsense. The author asserts that the British will be deprived rights awarded to immigrants.
thank you for the post which gave words to my jumbled thoughts.
speculation
Sadly, this millenials , this "younger" generation didn't have to fight and die for their own freedom.
oops a little spelling check wouldn't go a miss!!!
our construction trades aren't racing into the other 27 countries to work are they! #pisspoormoney
grit of British people will force EU to form a loose collaboration, not automatic but delayed, yet persistent.
What tosh. As if no-one from the UK ever travelled to, or worked in, Europe before the EU!
My great grandmother worked in France in the 1920's.
Ever heard of The Grand Tour? We've always been able to travel!
I think the debts of our predecessors is disrespectful & ignorant to the life current generations are afforded
Lo que dice este británico es que sus abuelos le han quitado el derecho a ser europeos.
Excusas no
Eres joven y la 3ra edad te quita un derecho
cuando su vida no pasará d 25 años+
hay derecho a la queja
Responsable es Pero es que este referendum, el voto real que los echa fuera es un 36% de la población adulta
Porque no son unas elecciones que cambias dentro de 4 años. Es una decisión de mas trascendencia
Nadie dijo de no respetarla. Pero quejarse se puede ¿no? Eso es lo que hace ese británico.
Por ahora no se han ido.
El proceso formal de solicitar salirse no ha empezado y
ya hay brexit regret
Porque es en el tramo de >65 dónde se dió mayormente el no a Europa
People will also get married in order to preserve their residency creating new opportunities. #BrexitBabyBoom ?
utter tosh! 1. Workers no longer undercut by EE 2. Those who want to work will be able to travel freely 1/2
2/2 but mobility for benefits claimants goes 3. Too many "experts" have turned out to be vested interests
they lost their right to live? No one reported on all the mass slaughter? Real articulate.
most retarded thing i've ever read
TY for sharing @scoosherSands
Everyone including me has no idea what is going to happen however i do believe we will finish up better off.
A flurry of left wing shibboleths concluding in an autoerotic verbal climax.
It is sad when the main concern is that a country best offer to youth is to immigrate to the neighboring countries. Very sad
My take on it youtube.com/watch?v=xXDeGk…
Do they know for a fact no one's aunt voted for #Brexit, or are they just making a sexist assumption?
so no County in that region can survive outside of the EU? #Switzerland
The pendulum swings, and just like Poe, unworthiness ends up in the pit. Pitiful,wouldn't you say ?
36% of 18-24 year olds voted.
The other 64% can be counted with those "parents, uncles and grandparents" re any "blame".
the American REV! a group of slave holders who hated slavery and businessmen that hated taxes. BTW #MakeAmericaGreatAgain
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nonsense
We now know that this table omits the fact that most under 24s didn't bother to vote at all. @nicoleperlroth
excellent share, thank you. A lot can happen in the next few years. The UK is not out yet.
Brilliant and fair analysis. Everything you say is true.
I can read!!!!!
Most of the 27 have come here cos of their unemployment. People lived & worked in other countries long before EU.
Truth doesn't matter anymore to people today, how sad and the cause is spiritual depravity.
As Working Class in the US we suffer. Here I push for US Post Office Service Banking. & now I say UK exploit relationship US
this is drivel by someone who doesn't understand the power of sovereignty. Brexit will spark growth. #power2UK
Interesting take, I wish you guys luck.My British friends are horrified. I have Donald Trump to cope with.
❤️ the phrase 'post-factual democracy'& what is wrong with EXPERTS? I don't go to the Drs to be seen by a non-EXPERT do you?
damn that's hella smart #Brexit
Surely that's 'swapped two distant elites for one'?
& NO they will NOT be blocked from Travel
WHAT A BUNCH of FRAUDS
Right. Because elitism isn't a form of bigotry.
Hear hear, has @nbarrett100 already been featured in @nytimes? Voice of young generation often ignored: time to hear it? 1/x
dead right!! The times of piracy and privateers has long time gone!! Be out with the full consequences!!
Utter nonsense economistsforbrexit.co.uk
There are group-think experts & those with their own country at heart
But only 38% of the under 25's turned out to vote to protect that right. Of which 75% voted for #remain.
Meaning only #27% of the under 25 electorate voted for #remain.
And I think because those that travel prefer to go far,to India, S America & those that don't, don't.
Divided
Many of 75% of the younger generation who wanted to remain didn't vote. Went to Glasto instead. Don't blame the oldies.
next time lazy young ppl must wake up,stand up and walk to vote post to VOTE !
a similar thing could be said about facts/bullets in a certain ongoing presidential campaign...