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Jay Rosen
@jayrosen_nyu
So, given this:
nytimes.com/2016/06/29/wor…
how well do we think the British press did in helping people cast an informed vote on Brexit?
Having Won, Boris Johnson and ‘Brexit’ Leaders Fumble
One thing has become clear: They had no plan for what comes next.
nytimes.com
24 replies and sub-replies as of Jun 30 2016
Roost (((Vineyard)))
@RoostVineyard
they don't see their job as informing people, they see their job as selling ads.
Jay Rosen
@jayrosen_nyu
Then there's no reason to ask the question. In fact, there is no such thing as "British journalism" at all, just commerce.
ringsabell
@ringsabell
And unless something changes we're headed there.
Daniel Pashley
@eurodan
Terribly. We are a country run at least in part by Paul Dacre owner of the Daily Mail and Rupert Murdoch.
Daniel Pashley
@eurodan
Their drip drip anti-EU propaganda over decades has poisoned the debate.
Sue Apfelbaum
@sueapfe
tend to think that repeatedly calling it Brexit (emphasis on 'exit') could have contributed too
Sam Victor Jermy
@SamJermy
Rhetorical question, surely. How well? Didn't even bother trying to inform the British public.
Madame Ecosse
@emmalouisenicol
Diabolical but not just this campaign, 40 years of ignoring or trivialising EU news.
Lynn Comella
@LynnComella
Don't know if you've seen this, but you might find the discussion about the role of media interesting.
How the UK press woke up to Brexit with that morning-after feeling
Most of Fleet Street had worked hard for a Leave vote, but it still took even eurosceptic papers by surprise.
theconversation.com
Jay Rosen
@jayrosen_nyu
Thanks, Lynn. Had not seen it.
Thomas Baekdal
@baekdal
an informed vote? Not that well.
reutersinstitute.politics.ox.ac.uk/sites/default/…
John Rebuttal
@JohnRebuttal
so , do you mean that the people who voted pro-stay, weren't well informed?
Jay Rosen
@jayrosen_nyu
Nope. Nice try, though.
John Rebuttal
@JohnRebuttal
that's what I thought. so, what makes you think that ppl who voted pro-stay were well informed?
Jay Rosen
@jayrosen_nyu
Didn't say they were. You're just trying to make me speak your lines, instead of talking yourself.
John Rebuttal
@JohnRebuttal
fair enough. is just the headline talks abt Brexit leaders/no plan I'm curious though. what's your position?
Jay Rosen
@jayrosen_nyu
You think you're clever. You're not.
John Rebuttal
@JohnRebuttal
:) wasn't trying to b snarky w/the last Q I actually wanted to know ur position. if u thought that 1side was less informed 1/2
John Rebuttal
@JohnRebuttal
or if you thought that everyone pro/against/no voters, were equally misinformed. 2/2
Jay Rosen
@jayrosen_nyu
Don't have a position. But when pro-Leave politicians back away from what they supported it says they weren't questioned well.
John Rebuttal
@JohnRebuttal
ok I think applies 4both sides. I'd b amazd if the pro-stay pol. fulfilled the promises of wonderful things coming if stay won
May Meyer
@maymaymeyer
Remain argued that
#Brexit
would be economically catastrophic. This was dismissed as
#ProjectFear
May Meyer
@maymaymeyer
I thought the
@guardian
&
@FT
worked to inform. Guardian also did some nuanced work on background to community anger
ringsabell
@ringsabell
About same as our press did promoting "America's New War" as Wolf Blitzer dubbed it. (2003)