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jason
@Jason
1/there are six reasons to worry about
$aapl
right now--the inability of the car project to close a partner is one.
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@Recode
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jason
@Jason
2/Steve Jobs would have either a) convinced a partner like BMW/Mercedes to join forces or b) driven the team to produce a magical car
jason
@Jason
3/2nd reason to worry about
@Apple
: iPhone 7 had nothing ground breaking: water proofing? 2014! Dual camera? Ok/Meh, Longer battery? Catchup
jason
@Jason
4/3rd reason to worry:
@Sony
,
@htc
@oculus
@samsung
@google
all years ahead on VR/AR--something
$aapl
should own given chipsets/apps lead.
jason
@Jason
5/even
@Microsoft
is crushing
@Apple
on the VR/AR front with the wildly impressive
@HoloLens
! How is Apple losing to 6 PLAYERS in VR/AR?!?
jason
@Jason
6/4th reason to be worried about
$aapl
: Watch 2.0 is catches up to the Fitbit Surge w/GPS from 2014; a promising start but not breaking out
jason
@Jason
7/To recap, first four of six reasons to worry: car project stalled, peak smartphone/no reason to upgrade to 7, MIA on VR/AR & watch is weak
jason
@Jason
8/Anyone want to guess on the two last reasons
@Apple
share holders should be worried? Two more verticals, one they're MIA & one stalled.
jason
@Jason
9/ok, the 5th reason folks are worried about
@Apple
is that they have never finished the TV (physical tv) or negotiated an OTT/cable service
jason
@Jason
10/Jobs famously detailed the TV to
@waltmossberg
, and the fact that it can't be completed by the
@Apple
team is a red flag for sure IMO
jason
@Jason
11/the 6th reason that folks are rightfully worried about
@Apple
is how far behind they are on machine learning & AI. Major threat.
Jonathan Langdale
@jlangdale
And if
@Apple
buys
@twitter
, does any of those reasons matter?
Jonathan Hart
@jonathanhartsf
maybe their hubris contributed to their lack of spending on R&D, which is emerging to have been a bad move long term.
Rafael Balbi
@justbalbi
this doesn't matter as much considering platform lock. Google is ahead but lacks a meaningful entry point.
Alex C
@christouag
Cook clearly a fine CEO, maybe be called excellent in any other corp. however Apple has always had higher stds, both int. and ext.
Luke Gunderson
@LukeGundy
I listen to the episode last night. I think you missed one category. The smart Home. Amazon Echo competitor?
slowhand
@slowhandzen
Unless it's an ott for user generated stuff, not sure I get it
Sean Montgomery
@gomery
Never understood how
@Apple
couldn't negotiate directly with channels to cut out the middle man of cable/satellite.
A
@nDoTweets
machine learning
A
@nDoTweets
and voice assist (alexa/siri)
PD
@Philduan
spending more money on buildings than R&D? Owning Apple product isn't considered cool anymore?
Lon Harris
@Lons
My new MacBook won't charge while I'm using an external monitor. Not a "vertical," but cause for concern. Also just weird.
jason
@Jason
you need the pass through dongle...
Lon Harris
@Lons
Not ANOTHER dongle... After 3 MacBooks and Pros, I basically have a Dongle Drawer... I guess I lack "courage."
Isaac Garcia
@isaacgarcia
"Because you are a slave Neo...." - Morpheus
@Lons
@Jason
Adam Bader 🚀🛰
@adambader
I have the MacBook. I don't really miss having many ports. I have the dongle with three ports (charging, USB and monitor).
Lon Harris
@Lons
I don't need 18 ports. Just let me charge and, I don't know, use a damn flash drive because it's 2016 and we can do that.
Lon Harris
@Lons
It's not unusable. I'm saying it's awkward and customer-hostile. Just include the dongle, or at least tell me I need it.
Adam Bader 🚀🛰
@adambader
I agree. Include the dongle, I paid $40 for this one!
Adam Bader 🚀🛰
@adambader
Haha, I get you! Do you think they could have made the same laptop with two ports or more?
Lon Harris
@Lons
I 100% think they could've thrown another USB-C on this bad boy. I mean, I don't BUILD LAPTOPS, but... come on...
Adam Bader 🚀🛰
@adambader
I'm thinking, if they could, then why not? Who knows man...
Lon Harris
@Lons
More courageous. I think part of it is definitely "You will change because we say so. We are Apple. Resistance is futile."
Adam Bader 🚀🛰
@adambader
Haha. I think Jony Ive has more say when it comes to design, no?
Lon Harris
@Lons
Honestly, it could be Seth Rogen As Woz making these decisions, for all I know. I just think it's inconvenient and... odd.
jason
@Jason
it's so obvious
@tim_cook
should have put a second USb-c on the other side of the amazing macbook
Lon Harris
@Lons
It's so clear to me! Otherwise, couldn't be happier with it.
راكان العيدي Rakan
@rakaneur
would say: have you heard of "iCloud"? It takes courage to force you to use it and not use a flash in 2016!
Lon Harris
@Lons
I work on video content with a big team. Sometimes I need to just throw something on a stick for someone.
Lon Harris
@Lons
But the larger point is, why does Tim Cook even get a say? Give me some options. That's all I want.
راكان العيدي Rakan
@rakaneur
I know, same team here. But do u know what Mr. Cook w'd say? For video editing, You should buy the MB Pro 😂
jason
@Jason
apple.com/shop/product/M…
this should come with the laptop
@tim_cook
USB-C Digital AV Multiport Adapter
USB-C Digital AV Multiport Adapter lets you connect your USB-C or Thunderbolt 3 (USB-C) enabled Mac to a HDMI display, standard USB device, and charging cable. Buy now at apple.com.
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Apple Support
@AppleSupport
You are in the right place. Are you able to charge your MacBook when you are not connected to an external monitor?
Lon Harris
@Lons
Oh, yeah, it's not a technical issue. I can charge, I can hook up the monitor. Just need more dongles!
Randolph Octavio
@wrosb
maybe, you were targeted by bots :)
slowhand
@slowhandzen
phones, drones
Firas Durri
@firasd
big issue is AI / Machine Learning. Facebook, Youtube, Spotify, Pinterest = huge on "discovery". Apple Music = hiring DJs.
PD
@Philduan
and left behind while still being secretive is just stupid.
Cocktails & Dreams
@CraigScott31
however, on the flip side, they could just buy the leader in VR with the extra change in their ash try, if they so chose.
Waleed A. Alballaa
@wballaa
Cloud and AI
Luka Valas
@luka_vee
Music could be so much better. I think they're stallled there. And no new iPods!! 🙄
Jez
@Jeremy_Atkin
TV is MIA And Apple Music sucks...?
Alex
@silberit
they just missing the passion for invention (scared to loose
$cash
?) + way more efforts 2 keep existing market share than required.
Adam Bader 🚀🛰
@adambader
re AR/VR maybe have something better than all the competition but won't show it until the market is ready?
Florent Crivello
@Altimor
I dunno. The Apple Watch made $6B in last year, #1 most selling smart watch. Also, best UX of market by far
Florent Crivello
@Altimor
VR/AR: Apple has never been the first to market, and that hasn’t seemed to matter (phone, watch, MP3, laptop)
Florent Crivello
@Altimor
for the car, it’s prob the biggest endeavor the co has ever taken on, road bumps were to be expected, still very early
Florent Crivello
@Altimor
6 reasons to be excited about Apple: 1/ most valuable brand on earth, evokes passion like crazy 2/ gets UX like no one else
Florent Crivello
@Altimor
3/ is years ahead on mobile semiconductors (equivalent of decades in other industries)
Florent Crivello
@Altimor
4/ has its own, huge distribution channel 5/ has a tight team of extremely solid executives 6/ has fucking $200B in cash!
Blair Reeves
@BlairReeves
Don’t forget the intangible, but ultra-rare, luxury of deep wells of shareholder patience to plow free cash flow into new stuff.
Florent Crivello
@Altimor
I don’t know if the shareholders are patient rn, their PS ratio is 2.6 despite growing dividends and nice margins
Blair Reeves
@BlairReeves
Some of that is just perception, I think - compared to comparably sized companies, feels like AAPL gets a lot of slack.
Florent Crivello
@Altimor
still unconvinced, esp when compared to GOOG which does get an insane amount of slack for “moonshots”
Blair Reeves
@BlairReeves
True. Totally different businesses tho.
Christophe AMALRIC
@TiKris
7/ is no longer required to prove its expertise in advanced software development
Florent Crivello
@Altimor
yeah, although it seems to have gotten downhill in last couple of years
@Jason
Christophe AMALRIC
@TiKris
I mean: photo processing, force touch, security, TouchID, the large number of APIs...
Alfonso Guerra
@Huperniketes
Yes, because
@Apple
ships upgrades that break Wi-Fi, music, iCloud, Time Machine, iWork, etc.
David Ellis
@ISV_Damocles
application of mobile semiconductors? Definitely. Not on tech itself, though; slightly behind TSMC, further Intel. But matters less
Ouriel Ohayon
@OurielOhayon
disagree on 2/. Best of breed ios /Mac apps are not made by Apple. Not to confuse with popularity.
Florent Crivello
@Altimor
more talking of the OS. Android Wear doesn’t come close to watchOS, Android to iOS, Windows to macOS…
Ouriel Ohayon
@OurielOhayon
agree on OS. But not native apps part of the OS…(Mail calendar etc etc)
Florent Crivello
@Altimor
some yes, some no. The Photos app is the best imo, Reminders, Notes really good. What do you use for Calendar?
Ouriel Ohayon
@OurielOhayon
sunrise. Soon google calendar. For pics no one can compete given tight integration with os.
Jeff Fritz
@csharpfritz
iPad sales have gone backwards and they're mimicking the Surface instead of inventing
Mark Amaru
@markamaru888
I agree
@Apple
growth has stalled.
Francis Smith
@BoonySmith
I've always been surprised that apple didn't deliver us a service like Spotify. Seemed an obvious move for them
Jelle Prins
@jelleprins
Apple TV / media, and no Alexa like device
Jelle Prins
@jelleprins
also, iPads not selling nearly as good as we once thought they would / no growth
Nasser AlNasser
@nasser
Cloud Computing and AI/ML/Bots?
Craig S.
@sandiegosam
See stock chart of RCA! enough said! If another co blindsides
$AAPL
the way
$AAPL
crushed
$BBRY
, its game over!
UnHedgedChatter
@UnHedgedChatter
Some old fashioned shareholders prefer to make money.
Ryan Aldrin
@RyanAldrin
drones and AI/Bots?
Peter B Cunha
@PeterBCunha
tough crowd...
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Alfonso Guerra
@Huperniketes
's iPad pro isn't close to matching the versatility or professionalism of
@surface
.
Victor J. Servin
@VictorJServin
they are making Sony mistakes all over ?
Victor J. Servin
@VictorJServin
you forgot , completely lost the cloud business? Far away on laptops design? Or have way too many verticals?
PD
@Philduan
how about years behind on machine learning?
Rohit Kumar
@zrahul2020
If Apple can offer a car software that will also work with Android & not just IOS , Then Car companies will jump atvit.
Jeff Siegel
@jeffsiegel
Is the car project stalled or is everything still somewhat under the radar?
🌊 Floris van Eck
@florisvaneck
they acquired PrimeSense (Kinect), Faceshift (face cog), Linx (depth imaging) and metaio (AR). They are executing on a solid vision.
Ryan Aldrin
@RyanAldrin
but what if they just wait and chose to acquire the next hottest business in either one of those two missing verticals ?
#cash
💰
Larry Bizworks
@LarryBizworks
I use to think Apple would fall off, but it never happens. In fact, they just keep managing to Excel.
Alex
@Tales
apple hits a market when Ready
Alex
@Tales
they have creepy scary chips that are way ahead on the rest of the market.
Alfonso Guerra
@Huperniketes
Hardware is useless w/o the content to create demand.
@Sony
learned it the hard way.
@oculus
trying to avoid that fate.
ⓂⓘⓚⓔⓃⓂ
@finalbroadcast
2) This market is at least two-three years out from Apple offering something. Still an unproven product demand.
ⓂⓘⓚⓔⓃⓂ
@finalbroadcast
Apple's problem is investors and the press want them to enter new markets, and Cook is more liable to listen, now we have the watch.
ⓂⓘⓚⓔⓃⓂ
@finalbroadcast
The entire wearables market beyond fitness is investor driven, and it's a niche market at best.
Flavien Guillocheau
@fguilloc
you're into something, too many fields where
$aapl
is loosing.. And even the iphone flagship might loose ground...
Dan Worth
@danworthV3
only second gen apple watch. Same as iPhone 3G. iPhone was not first smartphone at time either. Plenty of time to grow.
Asaad Hutchinson
@asaadhutchinson
iPhone bruh, the future.
Kevin Fox
@kfury
People thought Microsoft was crushing Apple on the phone front before the iPhone was unveiled, and the tablet front before iPad.
Kevin Fox
@kfury
I'm not saying Apple has game-changing VR/AR hidden up their sleeve, but if so there's a solid track record showing we wouldn't know.
ⓂⓘⓚⓔⓃⓂ
@finalbroadcast
1) No one has any idea what Apple is doing in this space until it has a prodct for sale.
Alex
@Tales
don’t forget the bigger picture though. Just look at the Siri in your ear, look at watch look at phone..
Albert
@J_AlbertSanchez
don't forget the
@metaglasses
AR glasses.
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Erik Larsson
@eriklarsson
Dual camera = VR. Wait one year
Margarita
@mcargher
two firms have very different strategies... apple is more short term, microsoft is long term
Rob Zepeda
@robzepeda
they also haven't proven they can build a great app or social network.
⏳
@SteelzBangle
iMessage ?
Rob Zepeda
@robzepeda
😂
Robi Ganguly
@rganguly
what do you think the dual camera is really for? Vr/ar is a capture game.
Chris
@luckless6
dual camera won't help. Yes, it may take a 3D picture but you need a 360 camera set up to capture true VR. AR can be done with 1
Jeremy
@JBD_Alexander
They're going to wait until VR is user friendly, then jump on board.
Jeremy
@JBD_Alexander
look at their VR patents, they obviously plan to.
Zac Flamig
@zorm
Not sure VR will be high profit business in the end. They are probably waiting on AR like they do everything else
Zac Flamig
@zorm
Apple Watch hardware work will be portable to an AR device too, so don’t count them out yet.
Arjun Ram
@arjunram
Since when did being ahead matter to APPL or the market?
HPD
@DtNaMeH
HPD
@DtNaMeH
#iPhone7
#AppleEvent
probably missed the bus. Phone fatigue setting in for decade old phone users. My
#TwoBits
#2017
Dr. Grasshopper
@DrGrasshopper
I don't feel like I'm missing out w/my iphone6s+ / There's no drive to upgrade.
Chris Williams
@cdwillie76
7 plus will have 3D camera software update in less than 6 months
samabuelsamid
@samabuelsamid
but they have jet black! And COURAGE
Margarita
@mcargher
Finally we can have some competition on the market... I can't wait till someone comes up with a new platform
#bringbackBB
:)
D Webb
@DWebbny
Agree with everything you stated, but you and everyone in circle will be getting the iPhone 7, same with my circle. Says sumtn
Victor J. Servin
@VictorJServin
the whole headphone jack reminds me of the Crown in the first Watch presentation. They will never mention it again as groundbreaking
Selim
@itsDrManhattan
That's called incremental innovation! Problem with that is: It could be expected from a 2nd string startups, but not from
@Apple
!!!
Tondoriel
@Tondoriel
Actually,
#iPhone7
is a good move for
#Apple
because with future wireless protocols consumers will switch to wireless headphones
Philip A. Shane
@PhilipAShane
just for me personally, as a filmmaker, the 7 is a significant advance: Dual Camera + 256 GB (+ 4k & OIS) is incredible.
jason
@Jason
curious, would you actually use it professionally or just for personal photos?
Philip A. Shane
@PhilipAShane
Oh, man, I've been using the 6S Plus professionally (and I'm not alone). But 2 challenges had been storage & lack of zoom.
Philip A. Shane
@PhilipAShane
PS: For documentary filming, the combo of incredible (!) lightness and high quality amaze me every day.
Larry Bizworks
@LarryBizworks
😒 come on Jason. I've been there ( Apple Doom n Gloom). Yet, every year people clamor for there devices.
Jamie Lindsay
@JamieLindsay
EXACTLY! Jobs would have never caved to Wall Street & paid dividends either. Would have kept the cash to improve, expand, innovate.
Leland USA
@lelandusa
"Steve Jobs would have...." is a lazy argument
J. Simeon
@Joseph_Simeon
Apple is sifting to different products to reduce Iphone sale impact. Reportedly have $500bn in the bank so can afford to go it alone.
J. Simeon
@Joseph_Simeon
& if not, can buy a few startups like facebook have been doing to catch VR. They also raised a lot of capital recently via corp bonds
Steve Jones
@Appeos
Yes, Mercedes is the obvious choice, especially as they seem all-in on future vehicle tech in the past couple years.
samabuelsamid
@samabuelsamid
I've never been convinced they would actually make a car,
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SHAREFLO
@sharefloapp
Totally agree with you! its not the same without him
🌊 Floris van Eck
@florisvaneck
like the AT&T Motorola iTunes phone? Or the Apple TV set that has been coming for a decade? Never happened under Jobs 🙄
⌀ Dino Quarin ⌀
@Dino_Quarin
that's going to take courage
Jeffrey Carter
@pointsnfigures
prob more worried about Twitter!
Maria Chong
@mariachong
My dream partner for the Apple car is Porsche but imagine if they could license Tesla....
Josh Voydik 🚀
@joshvoydik
Elon wouldn't do that.
Andy Andrei
@andyandreiii
so easy to predict what Apple will launch next which is something you could not do when Steve Jobs was there.
Atrash Aman
@Atrash_Aman
which obviously large market to disrupt? That is problem #1. IPhone is a huge market. That is problem #2. Who'll disrupt iPh?
🌊 Floris van Eck
@florisvaneck
filed as
#claimchowder
. Apple is fucked for over 20 years now. Their bank account says NO. -1 for the Jobs bullshit
Alfonso Guerra
@Huperniketes
Abandoning the pro/creator markets 7 years ago was the first.
Sampath Pakkala
@spakkal
everybody will come up with new stories to move the stock because
$AAPL
is not going to talk about their Future products anyway :)
Charles Baakel
@cbaakel
it's about value capture, not cool demos. Little concern until rev of these markets greater than a rounding error for
$appl
Perry F. Caravello
@ScaryPerrySkate
, So... Why worry about it???
D. Frank White
@dfrankwhite
5 and 6 👌🏾