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Benedict Evans
@BenedictEvans
I can see lots of issues w/ Android that might be solved if Google went closed-source or sold phones itself. Harder to see benefit to Google
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Benedict Evans
@BenedictEvans
Android has huge hardware fragmentation that’s *inherent* to selling from $50 to $800. A Nexus/pixel strategy doesn’t change that
Benedict Evans
@BenedictEvans
Android software fragmentation is arguably not a huge issue for Google given most search stuff is in GMS, updated every week or two
Benedict Evans
@BenedictEvans
The big Android fragmentation/control issues are security (due to lack of OS updates) and VR (which isn’t mass-market for several years).
Benedict Evans
@BenedictEvans
One should always remember Android is a tactic, not a strategy. Google is about reach.
Benedict Evans
@BenedictEvans
“What does Google need on mobile?”
ben-evans.com/benedictevans/…
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What does Google need on mobile?
Google needs reach, but mobile means that there are lots of different kinds of reach.
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Antony Medhat
@antony_medhat
but over time more people who can afford high end smartphone will switch to apple.lets be honest none of those who 1/2
Antony Medhat
@antony_medhat
has 50$ to 300$ phones are satisfied google can get money from selling high end phones like apple and make a
Antony Medhat
@antony_medhat
great user experience and let small players be responisble for extra cheap phones
João Antunes
@joantune
I have a Nexus 5X that I got recently and I'm pretty satisfied..I wouldn't pay twice + earbuds 4 mtly the same
Anthony De Rosa
@Anthony
I’m a lifelong iPhone user that switched from Apple to Samsung because the S7 Edge is a better phone.
Antony Medhat
@antony_medhat
do you really enjoy the apps that are full of bugs and slow performance even with higher specs?!
Anthony De Rosa
@Anthony
I’m very happy with my decision so far. No complaints. Performance is excellent.
@BenedictEvans
Antony Medhat
@antony_medhat
I prefer a more stable os with less fragmentation that power the developers to build way better apps
Anthony De Rosa
@Anthony
To each his own. I’ve been much happier with the Samsung and I’ve used iPhone for years.
Antony Medhat
@antony_medhat
it is only because the camera and display right?in terms of performance iphone is way better check this
Galaxy Note 7 vs iPhone 6S Speed Test
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Anthony De Rosa
@Anthony
I own both phones so I’ve had plenty of chances to compare.
Antony Medhat
@antony_medhat
this is a one year old phone vs the latest from samsung (a part from the battery issue) the difference is insane
Anthony De Rosa
@Anthony
battery issue alone is enough for me to ditch the iPhone
Antony Medhat
@antony_medhat
totally agree with you the battery is so bad in the current iphone :)
Anthony De Rosa
@Anthony
I have the Edge not the Note, I was referring to the terrible battery life for iPhone
Antony Medhat
@antony_medhat
I know and I was serious the iphone battery with lack of fast charging is so bad apple needs to work on that
mikebros
@mikebros
the Note is driving about 4x the pixels compared to the iPhone. Makes a big difference on the games.
Antony Medhat
@antony_medhat
that extremely high amount of pixels is just unnecessary when it affects the performance that much
Ron Simpson
@RGSConsulting
I'm much happier with my Win 10 AU Lumia 950 XL Dual SIMM. EXERYTHING, work and home, on same OS.
Olli 🌬🌤
@oliverihloff
So has Google changed strategies that would require new tactics (own hardware)?
Max
@Max_TWS
Agreed, but the Pixel line never fit with Google's broader strategy either. Bringing it to Android could be a tactic if...
Max
@Max_TWS
... they're using the higher end hardware to prepare for VR (but then obviously it's more of a strategy shift than a tactic).
mikebros
@mikebros
GMS?
Edoardo Maggio
@northead
And why would you think it’s supposed/meant to?
Olli 🌬🌤
@oliverihloff
Can you name a few of those issues please or point to an explainer you might have written before?
Arun Kulkarni
@arnikulkarni
When they can build a self driving car, what is stopping them from building their own phone?
Jonathan Libov
@libovness
this is the best case I've read for it
radiofreemobile.com/google-android…
radiofreemobile.com/google-closed-…
Benedict Evans
@BenedictEvans
I think Richard missses the difference between Android and GMS, and between Google and Android
Jonathan Libov
@libovness
I lament that Richard isn't on Twitter
carolina milanesi
@caro_milanesi
he is
@RadioFreeMobile
João Antunes
@joantune
well, they are sacrificing profits selling phones to get edges by having better penetration, I.e. more people using Android
João Antunes
@joantune
it's all about dat collected data
Monique Farantzos
@farantzos
Today, Android is effectively closed source: Google moved major functions & features to Play Services and proprietary apps.
Nadia Babushkina
@Nakistaya
it might be that hardware weren't so important as software which is also outweighed by the power of mobile ecosystem
KEDAR KHIRE
@kkhire
it's been fragmented for years. It's pretty clear Google has given in to Apple & investing in what comes after smartphones
Patrick Breitenbach
@pbreit
i can see the selling phones part but why the closed source?
Patrick Breitenbach
@pbreit
i see, can't get the dumb handset makers to leave it alone
Adnan
@ahalam
Isn't it better for the world that there are smartphones of essentially the same platform from $50 to $500.
Benedict Evans
@BenedictEvans
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