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Tim Bray
@timbray
Ouch; allegation of StackOverflow culture problems:
The decline of Stack Overflow – Hacker Noon
How trolls have taken over your favorite programming Q&A site
hackernoon.com
28 replies and sub-replies as of Sep 26 2016
Adam Caudill
@adamcaudill
When SO launched, I saw the writing on the wall - room for trolls and this hostility was baked into the original concept.
Adam Caudill
@adamcaudill
Back in the day, was very active on devs forums, now most of those communities are dead, replaced by the army of trolls that is SO.
Eric Scheid
@ericscheid
Trust & reputation is not fungible. Being good on technical matters does not mean you are good at moderating communities.
Steven Herod
@sherod
still the best place to get a trustworthy answer. Many mor open sites are a smorgasbord of terrible information.
Eric Scheid
@ericscheid
"get" or "find"?
Steven Herod
@sherod
either.
Andrew Hedges
@segdeha
I’d say this is pretty accurate. I joined very early and it was quite a bit more welcoming back then.
Jeff Atwood
@codinghorror
the old 2015 article? Usually these are all "how *dare* you close my question!"
Adam Caudill
@adamcaudill
Seeing as ~70% of the questions that have info I need are closed, I think it’s safe to say there really is a problem.
Jeff Atwood
@codinghorror
SO has a strict ruleset. If this does not meet your needs, feel free to find another site with a looser ruleset.
Adam Caudill
@adamcaudill
SO is a great resource, but it’s not perfect, it has issues that could be fixed - it could be better.
Adam Caudill
@adamcaudill
I don’t mean to diminish your achievements, simply agreeing with so many others that there are issues to address.
Jeff Atwood
@codinghorror
boils down to truck vs. car. "Why can't this car be a truck, too?"
Adam Caudill
@adamcaudill
I’m generally a fan of fix vs fragment, but I can very much understand that perspective.
Jeff Atwood
@codinghorror
feel free to watch this presentation, which explains why it works this way:
Learning Vs. Discussion by Jeff Atwood [Video]
San Francisco Community Managers presents Jeff Atwood to discuss online community management and the future of forums.
brighttalk.com
Jeff Atwood
@codinghorror
you should build an alternative if you feel so strongly about it.
joe
@twitskeptic
It's more then that, Jeff. The off-topic fascists are especially frustrating when I am searching, not submitting
Jeff Atwood
@codinghorror
SO has a strict ruleset. Feel free to use another site on the Internet with a ruleset more to your liking.
Jeff Atwood
@codinghorror
see this presentation which covers why it works the way it works
Learning Vs. Discussion by Jeff Atwood [Video]
San Francisco Community Managers presents Jeff Atwood to discuss online community management and the future of forums.
brighttalk.com
Vijay Santhanam
@CVertex
yeah Jeff, you're such a fascist! Trumpian fascist, if you want to get technical
Steve
@Gretyl
what mechanisms limit or curtail high-reputation users that choose to abuse their privileges on SO?
Ⓒhristian Ⓢauer
@c17r_
have you created a sockpuppet account & tried being a no karma unknown person? I'm sure the view from the top is fine
Adam Powell
@adamwp
I stopped using SO once I came back one day and people had rewritten several of my Android answers to be subtly wrong for "clarity"
Tim Bray
@timbray
Ouch; most people in our profession rely on it. Anyhow, I do.
Adam Powell
@adamwp
I know, and they really shouldn't. It's a source of bad info and if you're asking a question you probably can't tell the difference
Adam Powell
@adamwp
working around/undoing the effects of bad SO answers widely trusted by Android devs consumes a frustrating amount of my team's time
Adam Eberbach
@aeberbach
sure it sucks, but it sucks less than any other Q&A site.
literally misandré
@indirect
I disengaged forever when original research was 100% (!) rewritten by a troll moderator without notice, but still attributed to me